Profile of elchino7

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I guess it's too hard for you to differenciate that there is too many genres on STRATEGY games. If i say i refer to strategy games i can be talking about RTS or RTT (real time tactics), turn based, grand strategy (HoI) or city building (Anno/Skylines). Guess what, MOBAs ARE strategy games, more focused on the action part (ARTS). You have MMORTS (Clash of clans) or Tower defense games. Finally even artillery (Worms) games are considered inside of the strategy genre.

The majority of the people who played RTS on the 90/00 had been basically absorbed by the MOBA genre (DOTA, LOL, SMITE, HOTS). The ones closer to RTS not something like Battlerite. Not talking about the hardcore players but more on the "casual" side.

I'll give it a clear comparison in another popular genre (FPS).
We have Quake. Skill base, 1v1 arena base FPS. Take a look on how the genre was 20 years ago and how it's now.
Team Fortress had basically the monopoly on the genre and then Overwatch comes and exponentially increases it, sprouting several simil games (Paladins).
Right now we have king of the hill games (PUBG/Fortnite).
Maybe in the next 10 years, simulation VR like games are the next boom.

Why do i care about sales? Because this means sequels, more, better, deeper after release content. Support. Patches. Features. I think no one expect Relic to release as much content for DoW3 as they did with CoH2. Think about the amount of things we would have, if we had a fifth of the SC2 playerbase.

About AoE4. I'll say that just by it's name, it's gonna sell millions but it's never gonna be a market game changer due to W10 way more than Window store. More than half the users on steam are not using W10. "Forcing" people to upgrade will only serve MS, not Relic/Sega. Having a dedicated platform for different games is no unusual practice nowadays. It's just another "icon".

What's your point? The number of people playing HoI4 right this second is similar to all time peak for COH1. Was RTS dead in '07 too? COH2 has a decent size playerbase despite not living up to all the hype and there being far more substitutes now.

That while we have a bigger market of people playing games compared to 10 years ago, classic RTS are taking an even smaller share of the market and less and less sequels have been relevant or new titles released with success compared to the last 10/15 years.

Read slow, and careful again. I'm talking about traditional REAL TIME strategy PvP games. HoI4, Civilization, Europa Universalis, Stellaris, Total War (with the exception of Arena), don't fall into this category. Guess what? They are the ones with the biggest sales and player retention (DLC targets).

From the 90s to 2010s, it was the best time for RTS. From 2013 onwards it has been a downfall. We talk about CoH2 having a relative small playerbase for automatch "balance matchmaking" with it having around 5K players (which in general less than half are looking for a game). Not a single title has been close to having these numbers. I'll give a memorable mention to Men of War, that while been basically an ARMA of the RTS, it was a success for what it is. A really niche game which manages to retain a healthy playerbase.

Sequels and spiritual successors of many gems from the 90s/00s had rough releases, didn't come close to expectatives or basically shut down, which basically kills the saga or put it on a really long stasis with no hope for a new release soon. C&C (Tiberium, Red Alert n Generals), Total Annihilation, Homeworld (kinda), Halo Wars (for it's IP name is was not even close), recent DoW3. It would all be fine if other titles would had taken the lead. I've seen hype for ex-Westwood's Greygoo or Steel Division. Look at how they are now.

There's nothing in the incoming future. The only 2 relevant titles are AoE4 and IMO Iron Harvest and those are at least pushed to 2019

I am no intern my friend, what I do is for my love of rts. Nothing more,nothing less. The sad part about all of this is that we are all on the same team,we all love coh franchise.

Closing your eyes won't stop your locomotive from a trainwreck. Loving something doesn't mean you should ignore it's faults.
This thread is like smoke and how people react to it. The facts/data presented is the actual smoke (people leaving Relic, number of sales, official statements, etc.). Then you have people who are already screaming fire and running like headless chickens, others who completely ignore it and saying that everything is fine and other who peaks around, check that there is no actual fire YET but have an eye on it.

You know which is the best way to close this thread down? By inspiring trust and actions. Relic overall has been known for it's back n forths on their communication with the community and then going full radio silence. There's nothing tangible to look forward to, no announcements. Everyone knows DoW3 was a release failure. AoE4 development is a question mark and W10/W store already puts me on the defensive. Not a single PvP RTS had success since the release of CoH2 (player retention). I'm waiting for an RTS which can retain 5K online players on average and not dying 1 or 2 months after release. The only notable thing on the horizon right now is Iron Harvest but thats going for 2019. If Relic doesn't release a massive success with AoE4, it's ggnore for the RTS genre unless some indie studio releases the next PUBG or suddenly Blizzard decides to work on WC4.

PD: when i say RTS, i'm not talking about CIV/HoI, turn based or any pve game (example with the recent sucess of Theyarebillions).

That's a good copypasta albeit too long.

If it was a complete connection loss then you would not see the retreat arrow, am I wrong here?

You are exercising a client side action which you can see but the server doesn't receive therefore there's no execution of it.