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Thread: panthers reload speed28 Jun 2016, 09:14 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 21:16 PMMr.Smith In this game, armour (vs penetration) define a chance of penetration. If the angle of the attack (not just a binary front-rear) changes the odds of penetrating something, isn't this functionally equivalent to the game having side armour? The real way to settle this is: - Somebody make a mod and bump T-34 accuracy to 100% - Repeat the test I did - Post results No. It is a side effect of front/ rear armour system exists in CoH2 in which slight angle deviation may result in completely different outcome. If there was side armour in the game each side shot would count as side armour shot but because there is non, you have to possible outcomes dependant on the angle and this itself is an evidence of side armour not being present. I don't know how to put it simpler. Also I'd question your tests work method. How certain can you be that all your tests were done at exact pin point 90 degree angle? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed27 Jun 2016, 21:08 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 19:50 PMMr.Smith What Sinthe has found, and I now believe to be correct, is that there is no such division line such that: - Beyond that, 99% of the hits are front armour (and 1% are irregularity) - Before that, 99% of the hits are rear armour (and 1% are irregularity). Instead, the angle determines the probability of which half of the armour will be used. If you fire from a 90% degree angle, there's 50% chance of hitting rear, 50% of hitting front. Thus, statistically, there actually exists the notion of side armour on the game. However, everyone sit tight and wait until Cruzz verifies this. It's not as easy to say that the armour of the Panther is (320 + 110)/2 (it depends on the penetration of the attacker), but: - Attacking angle does matter - Those rear armour hits from the front were not a bug; they were a feature. No, as I said you're trying to create a theory that isn't there. Yes, angle does determine what kind of shot you will get but you can not call it a side armour. It is simply a side effect of implemented system. If you want to see real side armour look at Warthunder or Men at War.In CoH2 is projectile lands in the front half of the unit it will count as front hit and if in the rear will count as rear hit accordingly. Basic geometry dictates that this is angle dependent. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed27 Jun 2016, 19:45 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 19:36 PMsinthe That there is a statistical difference between shooting at the side armour compared to the front and back. And the difference changes according to the angle of the origin of the shot to the side armour. Yes, and as I explained it to you earlier it is because the division line between front and rear of the unit runs through the middle and due to scatter or accuracy some shots are registered as front and some as rear armour shot. What is more the game will quite often produce irregular results (not sure if due to bug or glitch or some unknown factor) and shot that looked like a front shot will end up being rear one and vice versa. All this due to lack of side armour. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed27 Jun 2016, 19:29 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 19:22 PMsinthe Then why are you finding a concept in stats 100 so difficult to comprehend? Because I can't really see what are you trying to prove here? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed27 Jun 2016, 19:19 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 16:04 PMsinthe So, you don't understand statistics? I understand statistics very well. Don't you worry about that. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed27 Jun 2016, 13:10 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2016, 21:38 PMsinthe Even if there is no "side armour", the game has been specifically desgined to take side armour in account by distrubiting front armour and rear armour evenly across the side of the vehicle. Because of the way scatter works, any hits from the scatter table have a 50-50 chance of landing on either side, which means mathimatically the side armour of a panther tank is roughly 215 ( (320(f)+110(r))/2) at a 90 degree angle. If I was the one to come up with the law of probabilities today, I'm pretty sure I'd have a nobel prize in physics. My god, how are you people so bad a simple math. I should probably start explaining things in pictures. No, no and no. Are you even serious at this point? This game has been specifically designed with front and rear armour only. THERE IS NO SIDE ARMOUR IN THIS GAME. What's more, because of this specific front/rear armour design it is very common for a shot to count as front armour shot even if you could swear your tank was hitting enemy's rear. It happens because the division line between front and rear armour goes exactly through the middle. Before you start teaching anyone try to grasp the art of logic first. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed26 Jun 2016, 19:54 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2016, 18:56 PMsinthe Statistically speaking, that would mean that side armour is a thing. because you have a 50% chance at getting a pen bonus if you have the opponents side armour. Ie. Panther (armour 320 r 110) vs T-34 (140 pen) 43% chance to penetrate frontal armour. 71.5% ((140/110).5+(140/320).5) chance to penetrate side armour. 100% chance to penetrate rear armour. Statistically speaking there is only front and rear armour in this game. I see you have tendencies to coming up with theories to justify your not always true arguments. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: panthers reload speed26 Jun 2016, 13:38 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2016, 01:18 AMsinthe Which part isn't true? Side armour counts as rear armour. Any approach off the center axis greater than 45 degrees is rear armour. There is only front and rear armour in CoH2. Division line is in the middle. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Volks /grens26 Jun 2016, 13:36 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2016, 12:32 PMXutryn_X7 man,in late game when you have 4 volks over vet 3 and you fight in cover,medium range vs usf,with stg volks struggle so much,i find pre patch volks better than upgraded volks with stg.I think their stg don't receive volks bonus got from veterancy They don't snipe infantry with Shrecks anymore. That's why you think they are worse. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Blobs26 Jun 2016, 13:34 PM If the stats say they perform better then they perform better. There is no arguing about that. In: COH2 Balance