Profile of carloff

What does Relic have to do with Soviet war guilt?

Nothing. Relic didn't commit those attrocities, the USSR did.

False misdirection on your part, and disregarded.

I'm sorry that its so hard for Russian's to swallow the bitter pill of the horrific shadow side of their own history, but thats really no excuse and belittles/disrespects the sacrifices and suffering of the people who fell victim to them.

Why Relic didn't show us german, us and uk ww2 attrocities in CoH1?

Problem is the Soviet Union never really had to acknowledge or answer for its attrocities.

Germans certainly did, and other nations such as Japan have issued apologies and made compensation. The US is forever marred with the stigma of having used nuclear weapons and is still dealing with its history of slavery. The UK still has to carry its guilt from its Empire days.

Didn't see such aproach by Relic in CoH1 and you?

I've studied World War II's war crimes for years. I've read source materials, history books, primary source reports, I've seen the pictures, watched the documentaries, I've put a shit tonne of my time into learning about the atrocities of World War II and the years surrounding it.

And the Soviets were second only to the Japanese.

Numbers, proofs or you just overeacting and telling lies.

Through the firebombings, the wanton destruction by US forces, the Holocaust and France's all too willing participation, the atomic bombs, the German post war mass murder at the hands of Eisenhower - I've put lots, and lots, and LOTS of time into this.

More time than that dumb piece of shit "BadComedian", more time than you, and more than likely more time than everybody in this fucking thread put together.

If you wanna sit there and tell me that I'm wrong, or stupid, then you better be able to back up your fucking statements. Under Stalin's reign, 60 million Soviets died. That is more than one and a half times the number who died during World War II alone with all the countries combined - excluding those in the Soviet Union.

25 millions killed by Germans you still count to pseudo 60 millions? Top that, I make too many fun for me.

You wanna sit here and tell me he's the good guy? You want to tell me that an invasion force of 4 million troops managed to kill 23 million people by themselves while fighting pitched battles with an army of 25 million? Yeah, OK, and I shit gold, too.

What are you talking about? Another version of Goebbels TRUTH?

I bet those 5 million Ukrainian peasants thought Stalin was fucking awesome too, huh?

Lol, what?

See, the thing is, I don't hate World War 2 era Russians. They were mostly Conscripts and slaves to the Revolution. Ever hear of the Red Terror? I wouldn't think you have, given the performance of this thread. Turns out our good friend Lenin wasn't exactly the good guy when his first action in power was to silence the media and kill everybody who disagreed with him.

Ever heard about White Terror? Or ever heard about CIA and M5? Yep Lenin =) Why not Trotckiy?

The NKVD was worse than the Gestapo in every conceivable manner. You know Stalin set quotas of how many Russians how to be detained and executed? That he laid out percentage of the population to be culled? That's what the fucking purges were.

What was wrong in NKVD methods so you disgrace them like that? Oh, I get it NKVD fights Nazis and then NKVD wins you should think what NKVD is worst.

I doubt you've heard of the Moscow Show Trials either. Or maybe you did. I bet you think Bucharin's a filthy traitor, too. Yeah, the guy who wrote up the Soviet constitution granting everybody equal rights and freedom was tried and executed of being part of a "Trotskyite Nazi Bloc", nevermind that Leon Trotsky was the original revolutionary who lead the Revolutionary Guard and formed the Red Army to fight the Whites. Soon to end up with an ice pick in the back of his head. I'm sure it was suicide, though.

I doubt you don't read full case of Trockist trials? You should read it, and then you just want to return here and edit your post.

But let's get back to World War II. Shall we all recount how the Soviets used the German POWs as slave labor in concentration camps, and used them for testing? Such brave men, these Soviets are. Over 50% of the POWs were killed in Soviet camps during the 3 years after the war 1945-1948. That's nearly 2 million people. I bet they were all Nazis though, so who gives a fuck?

Okey Testing? Are you serious? Any documents about it? Or just "one guy say" argument? 50% of POWs are killed? Documents of execution should exist, right? But nope, they don't exist. Why, couse no execution was made. Surpise? Slave labor? If you are POW and in a camp you should work to help rebuilt ruined country. Do you have some proofs about SLAVE LABOR or it's just another "one guy say" argument?

Any feeble excuse you can give me is wasted. Any comment you can give me is lies and propaganda. I have the facts. And the facts state the Soviet Union was a larger monster than Nazi Germany ever was.

What facts do you have? Give them to us.

The Germans didn't fight for victory when they started to lose the war, they fought so they could surrender to the Americans, or preferably the Brits. That 50% figure is from people who made it to the camps in the first place. Most of those who surrendered were killed on sight.

Yep, what did nazis expect then they killed all genders and ages of soviets and ruined cities and countries? Did't you know what it was war for extermination or did't you know about Generalplan Ost? Nazis and their europe allies came to destroy 60% of soviet people and then soviets start to make a revenge Nazis run and cry like a whores.

The fact that anybody would deny how disgustingly monstrous the crimes of the Soviet Union are puts them in an identical league to a Holocaust denier or a Japanese man who praises the Rape of Nanjing. That means you. That means that piece of shit BadComedian. That means any of the hundreds of thousands of disgusting people that agree with him.

In fact you are trying to take soviets victory then making such words. The trouble is you knowing just one side of a TRUTH. Or you just a German. Thats explain everything to me.

Listen, here is your problem. YOUR interpretation of a game trailer does not equal what the company was trying to accomplish. If they made you feel all patriotic and that you were about to dive into a history lesson then that is YOUR opinion / take on what you were going to receive.

So, you think it's all in me? I saw mr.nice guy and want his adventure in full game but Relic didn't do as they show me in trailer? Surelly i can't get you point.

I look at it as a story, you have a problem in the inability to perceive it this way and look at it as some sort of backwards history. I'm from the US, I wouldn't give two shits if I saw a civil war game with cowboys and aliens eating cornbread while the whole country started nuking each other. Is that historically inaccurate? Yes, but I wouldn't go on an internet forum just to smack talk the developers.

I would like to see this "story" if the game would calling Red Alert 4. But suddenly game called "Company of Heroes". What "company" in game are contain "heroes"? I don't live in stereotypes, and don't bother about USA. Hey, are we living in free world or you trying to say about some polite thing on internet? I mean, can we freelly make ours opinions or it's just only "positive feedback" accepted here?

They made a game, if I don't like it I will not play it, it's as simple as that. Your Internet warrior attitude will likely not change a single persons perspective on this board. Most of the people who belong to coh2.org belong to this website because they love the game and the series. So my question for you is: WHY are you here? Because from my perspective it seems to just cause trouble. I'm an open minded guy but you've provided me with nothing to go off other than "You just don't get it".

Yep, and I played that game. And was in game since beta, i was posting about mistakes in map, in russian words and some bugs. And BEFORE the game come out I make a post about "historically inaccurate" my thread was just deleted. Why I'm here? Couse of you guys. Couse of words like this "You really think the main reason why germans invaded was about killing russian population?" http://www.coh2.org/topic/6111/why-russians-hate-company-of-heroes-2-badcomedian/post/60389
It's seems to me, what such a "just a game/story" cousing trouble in my native country. You can check developers blog to see some inspiration they used to build that story. Maybe then you will understand.

The Firebombing of Dresden and the Dachau Massacre say hi.

You forgot the Eizenhauer death camps for German POWs.