According to your persistant posting of my stats, of which about 10% of your 51 posts has been, with an additionql 25% being leghumping attempts of me (instead of posting your own stats, which you still keep "in the closet", despite being asked multiple times), that pretty much qualifies me as a more informed and knowledgeable poster on CoH2 than you, doesnt it?
U seem mad. Why so mad? Dont be mad. Its just a game. It aint personal, until YOU make it.
I got 1k+ posts. You got 51. Does that make your penis feel small of something?
Or would you rather, reasonably, return to discussing the game instead.
You seem pretty fucking gay to me, bring up conversations/suggestions about talking about sexuality and now you're talking about my penis. Are you suggesting that you'd like to see the size of my penis? like I said "Pretty Fucking Gay" would you like me to post an image of it on here for you, or in your inbox with the other images of penises you have? Is that what you are asking for?
Personal question: Are you gay? Or why so fixated on me personally?
I actually have a girlfriend who will tell you herself I'm not gay, but more importantly it's funny to see someone who admits to watching hours of RTS video replays, live-stream, and hundreds of thousands of posts question another persons sexuality, and call them gay. If you are going to go down that road you might as well ask, when was the last time you got laid, or some ass?
I'm the one with 51 posts, you're the one with 1048, don't forget that Pickaninny.
and how argumentative you are towards something that is so silly when you think about. You realize you are inferring that COH 2 knowledge is actually worth something. WoW, you know the game better then me, lol, I'm so sad cause that's just so valuable to me. You're going to earn tons of dollars with that knowledge not to mention the amount of ass you're going to get with that knowledge. You're the Alpha Dog with that Knowledge.
☭NoobElite☭: Ive watched literally hundreds of hours of streams on Twitch by starred players and most (~90%) of the youtube casts by TFN, ImperialDane, Rogers, atr3uh and a few less frequent uploaders.
Ive also read EVERY SINGLE FUCKING POST, not even exaggerating, on this forum, on every board i have access to, since the moment I set foot here slightly before end of open beta.
You got nothing on me, son. Go whine to someone who cares about your personal issues. It aint me. If you have something ontopic to say, Im all game. Otherwise, who gives a fuck.
And you wanna say my life is pathetic... one Question, what do you earn per hour watching all those videos and making all of those posts? And whose the "Fool" paying you?, thx.
>Idiotically thought there was sarcasm
>Was wrong
>Calls other guy idiotic
Guess you have a boy crush on me too, and think I care enough about you to give a damn.
Sorry, nope. Go vent your frustration on your boyfriend. Im here to discuss game balance, not how much my butt hurts.
@Blovski:
Good point about the time required by CEs off the field in the interim.
Interesting conondrum!
This is one of the things I particularly enjoy about Relic games, since their balance systems are so complex and self-adjusting. These are elements of the game that are pretty progressive regarding asymmetricity,and because they are so unprecedented, they defy the more obvious intuitive explanations, but are nonetheless clearly considered and "make sense".
So CPs vs buildtime. Hmm!
I just was surprised to see the difference in CP generation, since its not something I had even considered before. The editing of that cast provided a realtime view of CP generation, whereas before I had presumed, incorrectly, that they would be equal.
Im ok with Sov generating CP faster, due to buildtime vs Ost non-build phase purchases. Makes sense.
Especially considering the unusual tier split choice Sov has to make.
I just hadnt even remotely considered it as a factor before.
Definately something worth paying attention to though, and increasing awareness about, as there are some significant timing advantages to be had from it that may significantly diversify the meta.
@DMeets: Shreks are a no-go vs KV8. No matter that the KV8s retreat dmg potential is too high, Shreks will NEVER be an answer to KV8s. Not on cost, not on purpose, not on anything. KV8 will always, even after the inevitable nerf, be a complete and utter infantry counter.
This is potentially evidence that Sov may be accumalating CP faster, to the result (which I have observed, as have others) that KV8s hit the field same time as PIVs, despite the apparent high CP cost.
CP gain is dependent on what stuff you kill/lose. If the Soviet was ahead, it's because of greater damage done/received at whatever point you were looking.
He doesn't play enough games to realize that, maybe if he played the game instead of spent all his time on the forums and watching youtube videos he'd realize these things.
@Babaroga: Nobody wants the Doctrine, or the KV8, to be useless. Certainly not me.
As to you not having seen KV8s retreat rapeage, now you have.
The kind of dmg reduction myself and others envision, is roughly equivalent to what was done to the FHT, in proportion. Its not nearly so dramatic or Doctrine breaking as you seem to fear. Just "normalising" it to the games other flame effects (it would still be the best of them).
Doctrines havent yet had their turn under the microscope for patching.
Im sure any shortcoming in KV8 doctrine will be addressed in other ways.
The doctrine shouldnt "rely" on such OP levels of AI anyways, to be valid.
@NoobElite: Doesnt take me hours at all. Nowhere near that.
Maybe it takes you an hour to write your shitty little personal barbs though.
I pity the fool who hired someone like you, only to waste $40/h on you wasting it here.
As to what Im busy doing, that is none of your fucking business, nor relevant to the topic in the least.
But yeah, keep on with the ad hominem, cos you got nothing on the actual topic.
Between you typing crap, and reading through it, and then constantly checking it = hours... Put it this way no one would doubt me if I said you spent more time in here then actually playing the game. I pity the fool who gave birth to you.
The irony here, it is infact you who are arguing from a vacuum position, whereas myself and others are arguing from a contextual, universal "atmosphere" (ie: the overall state of the game).
You agree that KV8 damage is OP, but then try to state that that OPness is ok, because of vacuumed situation/scenario/thing x, y or z. OPness is NEVER ok, no matter what vacuumed and isolated criteria you try to use to justify it. Surely you can see that.
I will demonstrate.
Vacuum 1: The Doctrine.
- You argue KV8s flame dmg is ok, even though you admit its OP, by basing it on the "vacuum" of the doctrine itself being otherwise shit. You are isolating the doctrine deom the rest of the game, thereby creating a vacuum.
Vacuum 2: Hypothetical scenarios.
- You contrive long extended scenarios that superficially "seem" to support your position, that even though you agree KV8 dmg is OP, you still think its ok, because of these hypothetical, drawn out and theoretical scenarios. This creates a superifical vacuum, where you disregard any number of other scenarios, just because they are not conducive to your own position.
Vacuum 3: OP+OP=Balance
- You try to argue that its OPness, which you admit, is somehow justified because some other unit in the game is also OP. Trying to present it as if they somehow justify each others OPness. This is a ridiculous position to take in regards to universal balance, and creates an artifical vacuumed comparison that undermines the very concept of balance. Two OP units, do not justify each other, or equal balance. They are both OP, regardless, and both need adjusting, regardless.
Myself and others are arguing from a universal and comprehensive balance perspective.
From the basis of the overall "atmosphere" (ie: lack of specific and narrow vacuumed limitations which you yourself present) of the game as a whole.
We argue KV8 dmg is OP. You agree that it is OP. However we argue it is OP in the grand scheme when compared ro flame dmg in the overall context of the game. You are the one creating vacuumed explanations and exceptions where you think its OPness is justified. Its a logical fallacy though. You are the one presenting isolated, constrained scenarios and criteria, vacuumed. We are presenting it from the game status overall.
This is pure speculation on your part. You are claiming to represent the Devs intent, as your own, without anything to support or prove that it is so. Unless you have something to back this up with, this is completely invalid.
You are not a Dev. Unless you have a source from which you can concretely confirm this, you have no place or right to pretend younspeak with the Devs authority supporting your position.
There is speculation which is far more warranted, that the KV8s stats are still mistakenly at Campaign levels.
There is a precedent for thismhaving happened before, with FHT. Infact the proportion that the FHT nerf took, supports this. It had levels, before, the same as Campaign. KV8, notably, still has Campaign level flame dmf. See the connection?
As I demonstrated above, it is infact you who are arguing from vacuum positions. Using isolated criteria to support your contradictory position, that even though you agree KV8 dmg is OP, you claim that OPness as ok, because in your vacuumed scenarios and perspectives, it is somehow "justified" its OPness, without considerinf the wider perspective of game balance.
I dont argue for balance because something "annoys me". My personal feels of "annoyance" have nothing to do with balance. You, however, seem to feel that you "feeling annoyed" by something, is a basis and justification for balancing. Else why would you bring it up. Its obvious to anyone who tries atleast to improfe the games balance, for everyone, that "feels of annoyance" are not a valid basis for argument.
The KV8s flame dmg especially on retreating units, is completely out of proportion to anything else in the game, especially and specifically related to other flame weapons. This is an argument based on the overall state of the game, rather than your position that "its OPness is justified because of vacuum scenario 1, 2 and x".
In every scenario, regardless of doctrines, its flame dmg (especially on retreat), is completely out of proportion to anything else in the game. That is considering and balancing it in the overall context of the game, rsther than vacuumed and limited scenarios that you base your contradictory position that it is somehow simultsneously OP but ok because of specific criteria X or Y.
The doctrines balance is another matter entirely.
KV8s timing, cost etc are also dompletely different matters entirely.
The flame dmg however, is froma universal perspective, completely out of proportion in the multiplayer stat balance context.
TLDR: Its a logical fallacy to simultaneously maintain that KV8 dmg is OP, and yet somehow at the same time ok, because of limited vacuumed scenarios or perspectives x, y or z.
Its either OP, or it isnt.
Maintaining both at the same time is an untenable logical paradox.
Youve been trying to reconcile this, by claiming its OP, overall, but not OP, because of scenarios x, y or z.
That, exactly, is arguing from vacuumed and limited perspectives. Not a universal one.
Finally, some video evidence of this OPness in action provided by ImperialDane and Cyridius:
Watch from 41:30.
I challenge anyone to claim that is "ok".
The Abridged Version Please? I can see just how busy you are doing shit.... LoL....
Im busy doing other shit during which I cant play.
Yea like writing books on this thread, you've literally put in hours into this thread, is that what you call doing shit? I call that bullshitting but that's just me, as I write this from my office while getting paid $40 an hour..... But even then I wouldn't write 1/3rd of what you've put into this....
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