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Thread: Which faction is best late game?16 Sep 2013, 20:06 PM KV8 + Su-85 = gg always. I´m not even going to play Germans after this patch. The nerf-club hit the Germans so hard that it´s almost impossible to win 2v2s. Yet Su-85 still can sit back and KV-8 toasts retreating vet3 PGs in one burst. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: MG42 Post Patch16 Sep 2013, 12:05 PM I changed to playing Soviets only. The combination of the MG42 suppression nerf, received damage increase for the crew, cheaper shock troops, Molotovs and Oorah makes any usage of the MG42 a struggle. The game went from one extreme to the other - from an overpowered MG42 to an underpowered MG42. Imo what would have been appropriate would have been that the MG42 just needed 1 salvo more for suppressing and pinning (2 salvos to suppress/ 3 salvos to pin). Now even 2 salvos don´t suppress. The whole game has turned into huge blob-charges storming MG42s and a marathon early game with squads running around the map and dancing around MGs just getting into the MG42s arc of fire and getting out again unharmed, running circles. Mid game the blob can only be stopped by Ostwind. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Opinion on new IS-2?16 Sep 2013, 01:23 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 19:47 PMc r u C e Well for it's price it should be on par at least with the Panther... @Cardboard Fausts and Schreks were useless if shot in the front Not sure about the Schreck but Panzerfausts don´t land at a 90 degree angle on the armor. They have a much more curved trajectory. The warhead is fired up and then comes a bit from the top negating slopes. Panzerfausts could penetrate 200mm of armor, the latest (not very common) model even 300mm. This combined with the negated slope (warhead coming from slightly above) could very well lead to IS-2s being knocked out frontally by Panzerfausts. For obvious reasons attacks from the flanks were preferred though. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Opinion on new IS-2?15 Sep 2013, 19:39 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 19:02 PMUGBEAR L70 75mm capable of penetrating 120mm 60 degree sloped armor at 1000m? AKA 240mm armor penetration at distance of 1000m, even a Pak43/KwK43 won't be that confident congrats,political propaganda http://www.battlefield.ru/js1-js2.html I know "western propaganda". Have fun denying it. The IS-2 could fight back Tigers and Panthers, yes. Nobody is denying it. But claiming it was a super tank impervious to Panthers and King Tigers is ridiculous. Also German infantry was well equipped to knock them out in form of Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck. In fact Russians couldn´t get their tanks anywhere into cities without heavy infantry support. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Opinion on new IS-2?15 Sep 2013, 18:12 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 17:41 PMUGBEAR There's only criticism of rate of fire of JS-2, it's 120mm slope armor is not something to be underestimated, The JS-2 accuracy were never to be criticized as well perhaps you have source? BTW, JS-2 is not overrated at all, it is the only few allied tank could withstand a direct shoot from tiger or panther tank and capable to fight back at that time. Actually it could somewhat fight Tigers and Panthers on almost even terms. The accuracy of the German Zeiss optics is unmatched at the time though. Also I advice you to read a bit about the gun of the IS-2. It had to be aimed again for every shot. The rate of fire was 3x higher in Panther and Tiger. All tanks could defeat each other frontally at about 1000m - with the difference that Panther and Tiger were much more flexible, accurate and could fire faster. As you are so horny on sources, here´s something to Google translate: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2_%28Panzer%29 "Der Panther wies durch seine höhere Motorleistung jedoch eine bessere Beweglichkeit auf dem Schlachtfeld auf. Die Kanone des Panthers war der 122-mm-Kanone des IS-2 geringfügig überlegen, sodass sich die beiden Panzer gegenseitig auf etwa 1000 Meter ausschalten konnten." Translation: The Panther had a better motorization and thus a higher agility. The cannon of the Panther was slightly superior to the IS-2´s 122mm, so that both tanks could take each other out at distances of about 1000m. Conclusion: Congratulation, the IS-2 could go head on with the Germans standard medium tank of the time. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Opinion on new IS-2?15 Sep 2013, 17:33 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 17:16 PMc r u C e Though the IS-2 is more viable now,Tiger still owns it...pretty weird,in WW2 Tiger and Panther commanders were given instructions to avoid direct contact with an IS-2,which had the best armor and the best gun of that time - And could fire 2-3 shots a minute. Had horrible accuracy as the gun was to big for the turret. After each shot the gun had to be moved into the standard position to reload it. After that it had to be aimed AGAIN at the target. - In fact the IS-2 was as "fast" as the Tiger (37 km/h for IS-2, 38 km/h for Tiger. Both on roads). - The IS-2 didn´t even have the best gun and best armor at the time. As for armor protection: The Tiger II had better frontal protection. As for the gun: If we want to look at the anti armor role this title goes to the long 88mm. Even 17 pounder, German 75mm L70 had better armor penetration than the gun on the IS-2. - And last but not least: The IS-2 is overrated as is the Tiger II. Big gun and big armor alone don´t make a good tank. Also as you are bringing up realism: Germans weren´t running away from SU-85s. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Opinion on new IS-2?15 Sep 2013, 12:24 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 11:16 AMalexshiro I still kill them with StuGs, so I guess it could be a little more powerful. Can´t follow that logic: Tiger loses to Su-85, IS-2 is not supposed to be beaten by StuGs? StuGs have less range than the Su-85, no bulletin that further pushes the range and no spotting ability. Nerfing the StuG in this regard (which also an IS-2 buff is in effect) is no option. StuGs can outrange IS-2s but not to the extend SU-85s do with Tigers. Last time I checked StuGs were 2shot to death by IS-2s. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Flanking is back!!!14 Sep 2013, 00:02 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 21:00 PMSgtBulldog Replay or it didn't happen. I actually played vs a guy named mariens today. I also remember getting annoyed that a flamer engineer just walked up to my 42 frontally and fried it in no time. Similar problems occur with conscripts. Orrah and molotov can´t be stopped - even when charging just into the 42´s arc of fire. Also I have a better thread title: Blobbing is back. It´s so nice to see it´s revival. Reminds me of Coh1. Just left click, right click and be part of the horde. Trying to use the 42 as a support weapon behind Grens? Forget it, shocks decimate infantry and don´t get supressed. Had four Russian infantry squads running into two 42s, a Gren and a HT frontally and coming out on top. There is simply no efficient way to stop the spam. If the Russian player sees the MG42 firing, he just oorahs up to the 42 or gets out of the arc. That´s not difficult. Then run around and cap or just behind the 42. Profit, gg, wp! In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: pqumsieh and his faction choice12 Sep 2013, 20:00 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 19:47 PMComradeAlexei There were some serious changes to the ostheer in the last patch that were really awesome panzerjager2 that you are totally ignoring. - Panthers cost 130 fuel now. 130. fuel. My gawd. - Tigers cost 200 fuel now. 200. Both these awesome tanks cost waaay less fuel and getting some late game manpower is very doable as ostheer. These changes will positively and drastically change options for german late game and I don't think you have grasped that. Regardless of the thread´s content: Stop selling the manpower increase/fuel decrease as a buff to German tanks. Until now the higher manpower cost has only broken my neck. Could be that I also lost because my mind was dizzy from all the fuel fumes of the barrels I had stored in my HUD. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG42 Post Patch12 Sep 2013, 14:45 PM It´s still nice decoration. Right now you are better off spending that manpower on Grenadiers only. Haven´t seen that 42 pin even one unit in the last 4 games. In: COH2 Balance