Profile of PanzerGeneralForever

blah blah blah. Why not take smith's suggestion and test other factions instead of regurgitating text all over the place

I do play all the factions. You'd have known that if you'd read my post even tho it wasn't directed at you. Mr. Smith decided to put a false label on me and I corrected him. Nobodys forcing you to read everything posted here either.

You're already a high-ranked OST-only player; you should already have the answer to how powerful the Stug will scale to the late-game, despite the changes. Especially in-light of the mega-buffs to the Ostwind.

If you can't figure that answer out for yourself, play some allies for a change for inspiration; especially USF and Soviets.

Why are you arguing my player card all of a sudden? I feel like you are trying to shut down dialogue by claiming my opinions (yes I said opinions I know I can be wrong) are biased or irrelevant. I just started playing this game again after not playing for 9 months. Naturally I wanted to play my favorite faction(s) again first. No I've been out of country for the last three weeks so I haven't had time to play all the other factions again since getting back (I've played ten days in the last 9 months).In case your interested, my favorite factions (balance aside) are Ost Brits soviets okw/USF. Aka, I enjoy combined arms more than anything. The reason I defend ostheer is because A) they're my favorite faction (and imo most balanced and best designed) and B) I don't think the balance team plays ostheer teamgames enough to balance it so (just looking at the balance team player cards). It's hard when someone make changes on something that doesn't concern them and don't have experience with. Fair?

Regarding this post, I'm just pointing out this inconsistency is all. Stug is and has been for the last number of years, ostheers answer to tank destroyers and heavy tanks (especially high HP Croc and Churchill) and it already dies to 3TD shots meaning ost struggles a vs allied AT. Seeing nerfs to twp and stug (the answer to Croc or FF) is a big deal since ost relies on their tanks more than any other faction for any form of aggression. Ill have to test out the panther to see how well it takes over the AT department so we'll see. #believe
I hope what I've said sounds fair.

SU76 deals 120 damage, compared to 160 damage for the Stug; also has lower HP/armour.

And further range, self spotting, HE barrage, and is cheaper. I don't think it's fair nerfing the stugs pen so it can't pen heavies and not do the same for the SU76.

The intention for the damage was to point the Panther towards killing heavier vehicles and anything not 640-based, not its counters such as tank destroyers unless it's flanking or slugging it out at shorter-range. Units like the T-34/85, Comet and E8 will now get killed in 4 shots vs 5. IS-2s require 6 from 7.

Furthermore, its upped damage makes it more lethal to light tanks which it now two shots, and units like M10s will get 3 shotted from 4. So facing multiple SU-76s, you can send a Panther in to clear them out, especially with the changes.

We're likely going to up its accurate further down to line to ensure the Panther won't miss targets except at extreme ranges when stationary to help offset its long reload. Additional Ostheer tech changes could also be inbound which would indirectly help the tank.

If you're fighting standard bog-stock mediums, use the Stug G whose health is the same as mediums if shot at by 160 damage sources while being able to quickly DPS them down as it still maintains its high rate of fire. It's only when other damage models come it does it go down faster. When dealing with heavies you either need to transition or you can go with numbers and hope to kill them with raw ROF. There's also getting the Stug G in closer to pen heavier vehicles at short-ranges. Dangerous, but it has that ability.

I think your reasoning is spot on. Relic even emphasized the transition from medium to late game armor and this certainly promotes that. I think the reason people don't like the pen nerf is because it's been ostheers only hope vs heavy tanks in the past since the panther was so lackluster and p4 couldn't pen. The stug nerf only fits because you buffed the Panthers DPS. Great change imo. The other problem that ostheer has is mostly a team game problem and that being a lack of a long range TD with 60 range. The reason you see elephants a lot in team games is because the stug gets killed to fast by enemy TDs for its ROF to have any effect.

The only problem I still think exists regarding the stug is how fast it goes down to allied TDs. 3 hits from Jackson or FF and it's gone. Combine that with the range difference and you it just becomes too squishy. Perhaps the change to the panther will offset this but we'll see.

Pwerfer
The moment a squad gets hit by a rocket, it gets insta-pinned. Then you lose control. The moment you lose control of a squad that's going to get hit by 9 other rockets, you have a dead squad.

But losing control doesn't matter to begin with since all the rockets land at basically the same time anyways. That's what makes it different from the katushya; the alpha dmg.
If the enemy squad is caught by only one rocket (at edge of barrage circle) then it doesn't matter if it's pinned or not since the others landed in the other part of the circle.
If the enemy squad is in or near the middle of the circle, it doesnt matter if it gets pinned or not, it's not gonna have time to leave the circle before the other rockets hit them.

Any way you look at it the pinning changes nothing for the survival of the squad aside from giving it ~ half a second to move?

What the suppresion DOES do is encourage them to retreat the squad since it'll give the ost player time to react to the pinned units. I think the concept of the Pwerfer being similar to the nebelwerfer in vcoh for deterring (not wiping) blobs was a good one. These changes are doing the opposite -->faster aim time means more accuracy barrage on target--->less time to dodge barrage---> more wipes, but if they barely dodge it they still aren't slowed down. I feel like these changes make the unit more of a hit or miss gimick and less of a strategic late game blob counter.

I don't see this as a buff or nerf per se, it's more just changing the role of the Pwerfer to a wipe machine and less of a blob deterrent which I don't think anyone thinks it should be.


Elephant
It's a powerful SU76-like barrage with low accuracy but big-enough radius that can go through all world objects.

I don't see the point in making a heavy tank destroyer something it's not but I'm not gonna bother arguing why a heavy TD should only be a heavy TD.




The goal of demos should be to use them to soften up a squad and follow up with your troops to finish it off. Pinning increases the defenses of the squad by 10x.

This should be the role of the Pwerfer as well^^

Panzer Tactician
Panzer tactician is a no-micro get-out-of-jail free card. Just like USF decrewing their vehicles is not instant (to prevent target acquisitioning abuse), the same should be the case for instant smoke.

Dude it takes up one of the commander abilities. It's NOT FREE, IT COSTS 30 MUNITIONS. It's a defensive ability that blocks vision for ~5 seconds? You can counter it with attack ground as well. Now you want to make it worse than the allied equivalents that are both non-doctrinal. I am curious how often you think this ability will be used and useful with your proposed changes.

Spotting Scopes
Spotting scopes bestow a massive 70-range sight bonus. Other factions get at most 50-range scout units. This is massive, and it's not something you should be able to use offensively (e.g., by using the stop-hitting trick to glide your shots).

The change will bring spotting scopes a bit more in-line with self-debuffing abilities (e.g., focus sight).

As for turretless tanks, you can now use the handbrake on them, to prevent rotation and keep full benefit of the scopes.

I dont see (no pun intended) why giving extra sight to a faction that doesn't have tanks that fire more than 50 range is a problem even if used offensively. It's not like focus sight for SU-85 which has more range and doesn't need to stop to shoot. It takes up a spot on the commander which limits other ostheer strategies.

TWP
Having debuff abilities that cause the full damage plus guaranteed penetration vs all armour types begs for them to be spammed. As per the other issues, we do not like low-micro no-brainer abilities.

How often do paks fail to penetrate? Hardly ever. Why spend 30 munitions to guarantee you do half dmg and slow them down for 5 seconds. This isn't a no brainer ability either. Often times when you activate the ability the enemy drives out of range and your 30 munitions is wasted.

The rapid maneuvers on the 6 pounder is a FREE no brainer ability, not twp.

I think a number of the changes are awesome but some are simply uncalled for.