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Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?18 May 2021, 11:54 AM If anything the Pershing armour can be push up to just 290, on par with croc/avre/comet and vet panther, together with an mg buff and then see how those thing come along with current beta repair speed buff and vet tweaks. I mean above is nothing over the top and can be easily tested out in beta and tweaked if needed but instead we can get vet up echelon by putting them in Jackson. GG In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 11:59 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 11:43 AMSander93 Obviously the Better AOE on the main gun has many advantages over relying more on the MGs, that are not included in a stationary test at medium range. the advantage is there and noone deni it, but again, simple question, Is that aoe advantage enough to off set all the other disadvantages ? Yes or no ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 11:40 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 11:33 AMProtos Angelus The natural question is then: By how much is the Pershing AI better than the Tiger to offset the Tiger's other benefits (better survivability, range, ROF). Eg. If Pershing had 1% better AI and Tiger had 20% better survivability then it wouldn't really be "balanced" It is currently 5-10% better sustain AI for 25% less Hp, alongside all other stuff, but you got the point here. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 11:23 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 11:13 AMSander93 Isn't its AOE significantly better than the Tiger's? The MGs are not that reliable in a real match, they will lose significant value when moving, with other damage sources (where the AOE instantly killing damaged models will surprise your enemy more), with alpha strikes (prolonged stationary engagements are rare) and when enemy infantry vets up or the battlefield becomes light cover. The tests and calculations clearly show otherwise, that Pershing Ai only come out on top at about 5-10% in prolonged fight and the better aoe is also partly off set by larger scatter. Furthermore, tiger can sit still in longer period of time to dish out more dmg, get better scatter and evnt range with vet while Pershing is force to use mobility thus make it loss event more dps from mg (it is intended to use the mobility, isn't it ?) Let just get this straight, dose the Pershing have better AI than the Tiger? Yes. But dose the extra AI justify all the other downsides of the unit as a heavy tank? NO. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 11:13 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 11:08 AMHannibal Alright then. I thought you were referring to Sanders suggestion to switch with REs as a form of "beta" (second grade) buff. Just for clarification but It was "buffs in the beta version" that i mean. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 11:08 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 10:55 AMMMX I'm not sure if bringing the armor back to 300 together with the DR already implemented would be too much, but since we're still in the beta phase this might be a good time to test it and see if it sticks. I do however like the idea to buff the MGs a bit to match the DPS the Tiger and especially the IS-2 get with their respective pintle mounts. Right now the Pershing is pretty bad by 50% or more at any range in that regard. Pretty much this is all has been asked for from the stat of the thread, alongside some ideas on mobility/ability teaks. We are having chance to test with the beta And yet, certain pp go against it so strongly that they take every excuses they can come up with. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 10:58 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 10:40 AMHannibal You do realize that the Pershing is part of the current patch and gets actual repair time buffs? You can se that i did mention beta "buffs" as im fully aware of those change. But if the question is will the repair time buff can bring the Pershing up to par then my and many others answer is NO. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 10:36 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 10:24 AMSander93 Where did I say it was? I just gave advice on how to get the fastest repair times. Which mean you dont have any plan to improve the unit itself outside of those beta "buffs" ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 10:15 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 09:57 AMEsxile Lol seriously that the solution to make the pershing relevant? People: The Pershing is underwhelming and rely on extra investment and mirco to be on par with other heavy in certain aspects. Sander: Just put in event more micro and you can repair it faster. I mean, pp has given all the reasons and dont evnt asking for anything over the top but this is what we got back from a member of balance team. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Pershing vs Tiger. Shouldn't Pershing be buffed?17 May 2021, 08:57 AM Jump back to quoted post17 May 2021, 08:46 AMMMX i guess one of the problems is that people expect the pershing to be 50 or more percent better than the tiger, which is simply not the case. the difference is rather small and only really visible in-game if you look at the alpha strike performance (i.e. first shot fired). Not have to be 50% but with 25% less HP and 10% less armor, i think it is fair to expect more than just 5-10% more performance in certain others aspect. In: COH2 Balance