|
Dozer costs as much as brummbar and doctrinal, it should be able to counter AT guns considering how its armor value is joke while brummbar vet2 has armor equal to ISU.
Stug E overperforms for it's dirt-cheap price |
|
The thing is, current Commisar unit is not even a proper officer, it lacks auras or buff similar units have, it looks more like bad version of Jaeger command squad, (emphasis on bad) because it does even perform good in direct combat.
I have no idea why is everyone so concerned about Commisar blobs, Soviets dont have anything to blob non-doctrinally. Conscripts have no dps and Penal survivability is joke considering at vet3 they have only 0.85 RA and without smoke a single MG would be enough to send blob running, Fear Arty Commisar has is not reliable enough to deal with mgs (with 4 shells its like 30% chance to send MG packing) |
I don't see many people being offended by G43 grens interrogating and killing wounded, crawling soldiers.
Thats probably because nobody ever uses that ability, so they dont know what it looks like in game. |
Some people shouldn't play war games then. What's next, people getting offended because there's soldiers shooting at each other?
Seriously cant figure out why some people would not like retarded Nazi-tier propaganda depictions of commisars shooting their own advancing troops in the back, ripped straight from Enemy at the Gates? |
Back to the m42.
Why not give it the ability to damage the engine of a tank (available in vet 2). It would motivate you to build a m42 very early. You can kill enemy cars and light tanks with it, and in mid late game you can stun or critical damage heavy tanks and kill them very easy with the vehicle satchel of penals or an additional zis.
Miragefla said during twitch mod testing they are not going to do it precisely because they dont want it used that way (stun+satchel), its a reasonable suggestion but it might obviously lead to CoH1 halftrack BS
Going raketen route is what they're planning next patch, meaning faster movement in stealth and possibily ability to garrison/wider firing arc (which isnt enough without pen buff) |
|
What is your definition of "underperforming"? Raketen has same pen values at far range as ZiS (3x of M-42) while dealing 2x damage per shot compared to M-42 while being nondoc tier 0 weapon on a faction that supposed to have weak support weapons and costing just 70 MP more... |
I suggest you debate the penetration buff ans how useful it would be with Katitof according to whom:
"Single M-42 will never be a threat to mediums even if it had 500 penetration, however 2 of them should be able to tackle it, because AT is the only thing the unit can do and 2 of them cost much, much more then single ZiS-3."
As for role zis and M42 does not share the same role. Zis is an antitank gun and M42 is a light antitank gun.
PLS do me a favor and stop the personal comments I really wouldn't like to have to respond on personal level.
Light anti-tank gun is still supposed to act as anti-tank gun, not anti-car gun.
As for sharing roles argument: it's AT gun, what else AT gun is supposed to do other than fighting tanks? Of course it shares roles with ZiS, they both are same type of unit
Its like saying 82mm mortar should not be able to kill infantry because 120mm is better at it. |
|
It does not have any special role, destroying cars is something even PTRS can do, you dont need doctrinal AT gun to do the same thing for you when you can use Guards or ZiS for same role either
As for T-70 penning P4, thats a Vipper level of argument, T-70 is AI tank, M-42 is AT gun, if you dont know difference between unit roles you should play tutorial instead of posting here.
And dont bring up realism, T-34-85 IRL performance is basically same as Tiger, it clearly does not perform as such in game |
|
Buffing it "slightly" implies it gets pen around 140(near) to 120(far) and then it's will merely become cost equal to ZiS, it will still have worse scaling and far less utility, which makes it worse than non-doc unit it shares role with |
Since when does the m42 now all of a sudden has to be able to take on mediums and fight off Panzer IVs?
It is doctrinal, situational and meant for light at. That is it, done.
Because there is no reason to build it, Soviets already have better doctrinal and non-doctrinal solutions compared to it and because it insanely underperforms for it's cost |
Relic Entertainment
cblanco ★ 
보드카 중대 
VonManteuffel 
Heartless Jäger 
