Do you have a better shorthand description then?
Allied TDs.....? Not like they have any doctrinal ones u could confuse them with. Unless u count ISU with AP
Panther is going to get annihilated by a half-decently piloted tank with KT stats. Outslugged, out-dps'd, out-armoured and outgunned. It's like sending a Comet vs KT and then unsurprisingly being flattened into the floor and then 10 more metres deep. Maybe you can win the lottery in bounces but this is unrealistic.
Comet doesnt outrange the KT, it has less hp than a panther, and 50 lower pen at far range. That aint the same
Of course KT has edge but the panther will do well for cost, specially with its mobility against an IS2 that would now be much slower
What's OST going to get vs this monster then? StuGs? PaKs are already DoA vs SOV late game.
No they arent, specially if this newly priced things on the field. Way less pop/fuel for katys
If it got this treatment would need all the price increases too. Probably even make it cost a little more than KT to make up for tech difference (sov is cheaper total iirc)
IS-2 was highly cancerous during the heavy meta iirc.
Wasnt every heavy tank? Isnt that why its called the heavy meta
IIrc that was same time as when OKW got their new tiger 1
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PTRS cons can miss Kubel, Hetzer or vet1 221/222/223. With vet1 "combat blitz"/"Blitzkrieg tactics" ability activated they can even miss a PZIV. PTRS penals will never miss any kind of vehicle/tank. So the higher accuracy is not useable versus infantry alone.
Fine allow me to rephrase, they are ALMOST never going to miss. And ur partially wrong about the p4/hetzer
Cons get +40% accuracy at vet 2, so unless they are somehow below vet 2 when a hetzer/blitzing p4 arrives (possible but unlikely) its impossible to miss
Their abilities more than make up for that tiny chance of miss certain units
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Without choosing a commander I could go for:
Conscript, t1, penal, penal, penal, penal, (upgrade one penal to ptrs) muni cache
Using the cons for Hoorah + normal AT-grenade to have a way faster snare than PTRS cons snare and the lower ranged penal AT-satchel for slowed tanks. I can now combine any commander, for example NKVD for flame tank with vet1 "Inspire Infantry" to get those AT-satchels in. Commisar abilities help to win infantry fights. NKVDs AT-overwatch is a real strong AT source in addition that is way better than the BombRun in the late game. Especially useful vs the big cats.
So in this scenario ur getting at-nades and mollys for ur 1 conscript squad? Waste
AT overwatch is better against tanks, but can use the bombing run to delete buildings too. Can still damage infantry as well, decrewed 2 paks with 1 ptab bombing run last night
I don't see this build as such special that it is worth choosing a commander for it. Maybe it was before penals got third PTRS with higher accuracy for all PTRS(in comparison to PRTS cons). AT is the only thing this commander can do, but other commanders don't do worse at that aspect plus having better AI tools.
Higher accuracy? THe cons arent going to miss tanks anyway. If ur talking about that slightly better performance against infantry, whoopty do u took a penal squad and gave it ptrs. In my build order all my penals stay in AI role
Not saying the commander is the best, cuz he's not at all. But i think u are mistaken about ptrs consrcripts |
It is shorthand for a collection of TDs with a range of pen profiles with 260-240-220, 240-230-220 & 260-240-210 unless you want to type that out every time someone complains Axis armour has too high armor.
Its a very misleading shorthand, the closer range penetration is almost never going to be a factor
And this is exactly what you'll be sending a KT into, so an Allied analogue of the KT should expect the same deathtrap possibility. The pen numbers get even higher with vet.
So 260 armor 960 hp tank hunter then for allies as well?
Cause if im getting this new and more expensive is2, not gonna have as much fuel/pop space for those TDs. Panther would do pretty well in that scenario
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On a side note, "garbage USF on life support" is consistently having highest allies win rate in 4v4, since Jan.
Guarantee that winrate plummets if they nerf pathfinder+scott. Which they should cuz its broken, but its also most of USFs success in team games, so..... 
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Yours statement is very wrong
Su-85 pen is 240-220
considering max range since it should be at max range
Not considering the chance to miss, which is around 4-20%
Tank name / armor / Chance to su85 pen
PzIVJ 234 94%
Brumbar 260 85%
Panther 260 85%
Tiger I 300 73%
TigerII 375 58%
Elefant 400 55%
JGTiger 450 48%
How dare u bring facts and statistics into this... lmao
So nondoc range 60, 260 pen Axis TDs when?
260? Allied TDs have 260 pen at CLOSE range..... |
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Ptrs cons are amazing, i use em all the time in 2v2. If u changed the AT nade ability they would prob be too strong
My opening build order for that cmdr:
Conscript, t1, penal, penal, penal, conscript, (upgrade 1st con to ptrs) muni cache
U upgrade the 2nd con to ptrs around the time medium tank hit the field. Use the penals for ur infantry fighting force |
Ah yes, that squad notorious for being available at min 0, T0  . I'll bow out of this thread.
How many tanks are u repairing at min 0? And no, the kubel doesnt count lol
Lmao I am glad I never took that guy seriously.
Bro u hide ur playercard so that u dont get banned for basekilling.... 
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No one starts with units for free. That's a common misconception by players with a weak understanding of the game.
Factions that start with more expensive units get less starting manpower. It's roughly similar with some quirks here and there, but it's mostly balanced to give everyone kinda-equal starting resources.
I know they have different starting res but u dont have to build it my main point. U get one already, build time matters too. If u didnt get one "for free" then u would have to wait til pio is done just to build ur 1st mg42, or vice versa
"Roughly-similar with some quirks" "Kinda-equal"???
Care to elaborate oh grand master? My peasant brain needs help  |
They even come with a commander that gives you PPSh Guards if you want, that do everything PPSh Penals can do but better.
Yeah theres barely any reason to get ppsh penals, and on top of that u have this^
Ppsh guards get camo with the upgrade, and there ppsh are free. If ur gonna callin the drop, only use it for SVT cons |
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