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[Live] Vet 3 7man Cons vs Vet 5 Stg-Volks

Effective HP: ~789 vs ~520, thats ~52% more HP

Dmg at range 5/15/25/35:
Cons 30,1/23,8/19,6/12,6; Volks 36,9/28,1/20,9/11,7
So Volks have 22%/18%/6%/-7% more dmg.

Conclusio: 7man vet 3 cons are superior to vet 5 Volks with Stgs, there is no reason to discuss this. Ofc the Cons ugrade has a later timing than Stgs on Volks and should therefore be more potent in theory. But i think its reasonable to adjust the vet of Cons (see balance patch), cause their veterancy was balanced around no stock (weapon) upgrade. So after adding one, this is the next step.

Cons seem a bit lackluster in the midgame though. Maybe molotov could be a little bit better before vet2.

In other words, volks rushing cons in cover won't win, neither the cons rushing volks in cover will win. In late game, where cover is plentiful and the focus is more on the tanks/arty, it works well going vs stuka as opposed to going vs katy (one is alpha strike that deletes everything that is caught, other is an area denier that can wipe if no retreat is ordered, but chances are you'll survive).
Cons do not deserve nerfs.

Oh i definitely agree with that, I think RNG wipes of full squads from one, say, T70 shot are AIDS. I'm all for reducing and removing egregious RNG.

Then also P4 and LeFH and Stuka, etc...? Would that also be included?

Recon planes are generally the worst of the bunch.
USF recon planes pass the whole area rather quickly and can be used to either get a general sense of the enemy whereabouts or to quickly coordinate a strike. Coordination being the key word cause the plane will reveal the target for a second at most. Vet or no vet. Plus they can be shot down unless it's from the vetted major. The 2nd plane is quite hard to shoot down because generally you don't have AA in base.
The recon overpass which constantly circles around is also easily countered by AA. A bit better than USF major but still easy to counter.

Mortar flares are generally used before advancing to sort of self spot. As such are completely normal and balanced.
UKF frontlines flares are also the same way. Useless if you're trying to retake the area, very much useful if trying to defend it.

OKW flares can be used for anything. Self spotting a piece of map before advancing or just shelling MLs or w/e.

UKF fronline flares need a nerf in cooldown or length or price. I am not sure how long is the CD and how long they last so somebody can correct me if they already have a long enough CD or short enough length.
OKW flares need a nerf in price or length or CD, or combined. Again, if I'm not mistaken they are 50 munitions, low CD?

Rest of the flares are fine, as they have limited options.

Pgrens are fine. I mean, in 3v3 in one lane I usually go vs fast pgrens and MG42 with pios and with good positioning I win. Not to mention the fact that the MG42 is useless if behind heavy cover and echelons can easily flank through FOW. Never had any problem dealing with fast Pgrens. They are strong, but not OP. Bundled nade is the biggest problem, the long range and low fuse can put a world of pain if you are not paying attention but that's getting addressed in the patch. All in all, pgrens are fine ATM

They will still be cheap meatshields, and have always been used as a replacement for grens

True, but the only reason they were a replacement for grens is the fact that they were OP. I mean, their reinforce cost is 16. Stack that and throughout the game you have a much lower MP bleed. Considering that they can hold their ground quite nicely and you have a good replacement. They deserve a nerf. 16 reinforce, low cost, high model count all scream "meatshield" but so far they are not only a meatshield but a decent replacement... hence the nerfs.