Profile of Protos Angelus

While I do think that stock OKW P4 has a tad higher armour than it should, this is just pure bad luck IMHO.

And that's why I never go for the M1-57 in teamgames. Just get double zook on RE, double zook on major and with the AA HT and double pak howi to plug the no-bar rifles and you're good to go. Won't go on the offensive as zooks don't have 60 range, but you'll be great on the defensive against any and all P4 dives.

yes and no.

- yes panzwerfer/ katy have in a short time more firepower
- no, because they have long CD, meanwhile scotts can fire all the time
- no, because sometimes you miss your katya/ panzwerfer barrage
- no, because with the barrage from scotts you can stay out of at guns range
- no, because on some maps you can shoot with scotts over LoS shot blockers, so at guns can't hit you

True, but you're overstating the "fire all the time". It can't really fire all the time. It can do so in 1v1, perhaps, but in larger modes... I don't know of a single 3v3+ map that has LoS blockers over which the Scott can shoot with ground target. Well ok, mid VP big crates on Hamburger port for one side only (top side has the wall but that's super risky due the the big road that is easy pickings).

There is a much bigger impact of wiping 2-3 squads at once with a katy/werfer/stuka than taking model by model with a scott. Mainly, because the rest of the models will do damage to whatever is there. If I fire a katy barrage on 2 obers, they will retreat instantly or risk wipe or both.
If I micro with the scott to ground target over something, micro the units to engage obers at a favorable distance, only so that the scott misses or takes out a bit of hp of the obers, they will still do damage to my squads, bleed my MP by 80+ if they're at vet2 and lose maybe one or two models of the bunch.
Sure, the katy will go on CD, but I've possibly taken out 2 obers without losing any MP. And in teamgames, the CD on katy/werfer/stuka is useless. The volume of units on a non-proportionally bigger map means you need more time to plan the attack. So yeah, there is a CD, but in 99% of cases, the CD will be gone once the threat reappears.

Scotts being able to fire all the time is only possible if you're playing against complete mor***. Most of the time, scotts are used to barrage, preferably, smoke barrage (the best feature of Scotts).

2nd point. Sometimes katy/werfer misses. In 1v1 and sometimes in 2v2. 3v3 and 4v4, never. Unless you target a specific unit. That's something that is then easy to spot and dodge. Eg. you have 3 rifles advancing on your VP enemy and you hear the salvo. You won't retreat as some people expect it, you won't advance as some people deny that, you will side-step. Same with stuka and katy.

With the barrage from Scotts you can stay out of range. Yeah, sure, you can stay out of range. You can stay out of range with every indirect weapon, except vs 17pounder/pak43. This is not something special to Scott and as such provides no argument.

Again, last point. Some maps. I seldom play 2v2, and when I do so, it's unranked so I don't know, but on 3v3+ I don't know, except for the Burger King, of any map that has LoS over which the Scott can fire more than 2 shells without being in danger (that might or might not do any dmg)

Scotts are OP in teamgames, 1v1s not so much. i think the core problem is however pathfinders spotting for everything and being utterly broken sight wise.

4v4? Because I haven't seen one in ages from any USF ally, and haven't even played against it in custom games which are definitely not ranked... in 3v3.
I'd guess that in 4v4 where your teammate is covering for you, right next to you, you can get away with scotts, but in 3v3 where you're basically fighting a 1v1 on a pretty small lane with occasional flanks, the scotts are a weakness vs non-sleeping opponents.

Or are you talking about 2v2? I can only speak for 3v3 where I honest to God have not seen a Scott in both high level mathups and those 23:00h rank 600+ matchups, nor the leisure "whoever joins the lobby" matchups

It's more likely than you think. It is definitely much easier to do it than killing a KT with one Sherman, that's a nonsense comparison

It only works if the puma is targeting something else first, but that's not hard to find in team games. I literally did it 2 days ago to a puma that was trying to finish off my teammates Cromwell. I suggest you try it, you're seriously mistaken about how difficult it is. If you get any rear armor shots even the 50 cals can penetrate

If the puma is specifically hunting your HT, yes it's difficult

I have never ever seen it. That's my experience from it. My AA HT did once kill a puma that was diving against an allied t34 but that was a really low rank game. Otherwise, never seen a puma struggle with an AA HT in any of my games. If puma is killed by the AA HT then it's the player's fault.

It's not a stupid comparison. It's literally the "you're using it wrong". Barred up rifles can kill a puma after a snare, that's not the question. Puma is not hard to kill. Puma has the range and the damage to kite the 6 minute mark AA HT. And if your puma dies before a 15 minute mark to an isolated AA HT (let's say he retreated), then you're really a mega noob.

I mean the level of argument "Puma was not focusing the AA HT but instead was going for the allied cromwell and my AA HT killed it. Therefore the AA HT is good vs a Puma". That's proper nonsense. AA HT is a decent LV, but nothing beyond that. Best in that timing is 222. A bit later, the t70. AA HT is a good investment in teamgames, no doubt. Ofc if you keep it alive for the AA job later on.

I find complaints about the maneuvering to be really exaggerated. I agree it's got some issues but once you get used to it it's not that hard. Stop orders solve 99% of the problems. I've used it plenty myself

I suppress blobs with it all the time. It's entirely just knowing when to move and when to hit S

On top of that it counters most lights really well. Can kill a puma with a little luck, I've seen it happen more times than I should

Btw if you're building it in 90% of your 3v3s, then you're literally supporting my point.... It's more useful in team games

I did not say it's bad. I quite like the AA HT. I'm like Gollum on it. We loves and hates it. And I don't think it's exaggerated, regarding the movement on it. Stop works most of the time, but fails when you want to target specific units or even ground target. Considering suppression, it's not really great, decent enough for a LV.
I've never seen it win against a puma, don't think it's possible unless puma misses 5 shots.
I do consider AA HT to be useful in teamgames.
If you keep it alive, it's a great AA platform.
It can cover against infantry blob flanks, giving you ample time to react. Biggest threat is the double raketen.
At minute 6 it's quite oppressive and gives the USF the much needed power vs MG42 spams in teamgames and generally volks behind sandbags. Wins vs everything except a Puma, so that's great. Although 222 can take it out, if the gun is not fully loaded (reload is very long).