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Unless they have a rather weird way to apply the new range to only max range and the weapon fire at max range with the values of far.

If its like aoe, then that would be the case. Like for the ST the AOE is 14 (I think). The far aoe is 8. This means that theres the standard linear falloff from the mid (forgot the number) aoe distance to the far aoe distance of 8. From 8-14, the far aoe distance values are used. It just so happens that for most explosives, the aoe distance and the far aoe distance are the same.

So yeah, if raw range works the same way (with a general range value, in addition to the close, mid, and far range values) and the vet bonus only applies to the general range value, then derbyhat would be correct. Cruzz's DPS spreadsheet, at least, claims that this is how the range increase is implemented.

Can you tell me which of the following guns use accuracy, which uses AOE, which has modifier vs vehicles and which uses the point blank mechanism?
Centaur
222
Luch
Ostwind

The centaur uses accuracy, but gets a lot of scatter hits (less so with its relatively recent scatter nerfs) and has pretty low but not insignificant aoe.
The 222 is almost purely scatter based and has a fairly low aoe, hence why it usually has a low damage against infantry (except when the squad is on the wrong side of cover).
The luchs uses accuracy, but occasionally gets some scatter hits. It's aoe used to be surprisingly large, but it was reduced over a year ago such that the aoe is a small bonus. Edit: looked at the question again to make sure I answered everything, and the luchs uses a modifier against vehicles because it would hit vehicles 100% of the time (after all, the main cannon was accuracy based). I also believe the luchs uses point blank...the centaur might too, but im very uncertain on that.
The ostwind uses scatter, like most tank main cannons.

This is all off of the top of my head, so I'd like to know how I did.

Other edit to avoid double posting: Now that I understand what you meant when you said they use different mechanics, I agree almost entirely. The 222 needs to be scatter based though, or else its performance against infantry would be too high, and the luchs needs to be accuracy based, because if it instead had a super low scatter, that would have weird implications. But yeah, the 2cm cannons have so many unnecessary qualities that should probably be removed.

Also, the ostwind doesn't use a 2cm cannon - that would be the whirbelwind.

"But but muh DPS!" - that means exactly nothing when they have piss poor accuracy.

You actually have that logic backwards. Piss poor accuracy (and their accuracy is actually on the good side, mind you) means exactly nothing when they have decent dps.

To explain the logic, accuracy as a stat has no significance on its own. A higher accuracy is only important because it means a higher DPS. Therefore, in a pure balance (as opposed to design) argument, DPS is the stat that matters. Why do I care how often my units hit (besides getting predictable outcomes, which isnt really a concern with such a large volume of fire) if they end up doing a lot of damage due to other factors?

They do....

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The thing about riflemen is that they probably underperform for their price at vet 0

Again though, where are the numbers to back up that statement? Every time I've seen this argument made within the last few months, it was never supported by numbers.