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they would have penal role as i said before even without the mg34 they till pack a punch, especially if they come early where there are few tanks, u could reduce the cost by just a bit (340/350)

Fyi obers already cost 340. They used to be 400 manpower, and the lmg34 was 60 muni (and there were a bunch of iterations before that...). Now they're 340 manpower, and the lmg34 is 80 muni.

Assuming T2 is Luchs/Puma/Stuka, what would you want from Battlegroup other than a faster T3 to make it a meaningful choice?

That's a tough question. T2 is, to my understanding, powerful because of how well it synergizes with commanders and because it allows you to not "play fair." You leverage powerful light vehicles to avoid needing to use team weapons, to avoid bleed, and to counter your opponent's team weapons (hence why I called it not playing fair). That puts you ahead in manpower economy and prevents your opponent from establishing themselves on the map - your army becomes super mobile and low bleed. Further, the low bleed facilitates OKW's doctrines. With T1, you would probably have your 4 volks then get an mg34, and end up effectively maxing out your army due to bleed. With t2, you have your 4 volks, get a luchs which critically does not bleed you manpower, then later get a jaeger/falls squad with your accumulated manpower. More well known than that is where you spam light vehicles then get a command panther, I don't think I need to explain why mech is better for this.

The point I'm getting at is that if you're going to go t1 and play a fair, static/defensive game, why even go OKW? T1 OKW is just a worst ostheer with a better early game. At least if you go ostheer, you have a good standard anti tank gun, snipers, easy to use indirect fire, and an excellent HMG. Any design for T1 thats main draw is giving them tools that ostheer has (indirect fire, healing, troop transport and reinforcement - I wouldn't say the flak halftrack has any real draw, design wise) will just make t1 OKW a worse ostheer (or a better ostheer, in which case ostheer gets picked even less).

I don't have anything off of the top of my head that could make T1 attractive yet distinct from T2 and from ostheer, but hope that this can point discussion in a good direction.

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Three attributes make this ability worth less than the cost you pay.

Time until the barrage starts
Small area of effect
Short barrage duration


The delay in barrage time means its near impossible to land even on stationary troops, the small area of effect means troops do not have to move far to dodge it, and coupled with the short barrage duration means its poor as area denial.

A generous buff to any of these would make it of use.

A "buff" to those would also go against the ability's use case though. Its strength is against static targets - Flak HQs, ambient structures, bunkers. The small area of effect is an important part of that, the barrage duration is kind of a non factor (maybe you're asking for more shells?), and the time until the barrage starts is a balancing factor to make sure it can do high amounts of damage to a small area without being overpowered.

I get why spending 180 munitions for this kind of thing can feel like a bad trade, but it makes destroying forward flak HQs pretty easy - making it able to do so at an even lower cost could result in a balance issue. Overall, I think time on target is a much cooler concept than basically every other arty ability which all come down to "deny an area," and a lot of these qualities are important to its current use case.

Completely unrelated, but nice to see a post from you. You were before my time, but it's cool to see you drop in to provide input.