Profile of Jae For Jett

I think soviets' not one step back commander is more my style

Ost urban assault would probably need a few (a lot of) balance passes before it would be ready for the game. Even then, not sure how much it would be picked once the novelty wore off.

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Maybe i'm missing something, but i can't see how it is any more oppressive.
You are basically pumping out 280mp/28mp 5 men grens with marginally less durability than grens models, with no flame nade.

The idea is reversing grens/osttruppen, or an even better comparison, turn in into a cons vs penals kind of choice.

Are they more cost efficient or less cost efficient? If they're more cost efficient, again that would make OKW more oppressive. If they're less cost efficient, that's basically the design in the mod. If they're a similar cost efficiency...why would anyone get them? Unless there's some seriously different role or utility they bring, why would a unit thats a similar cost efficiency be used?

You say its reversing the osttruppen vs gren dynamic, but what does that entail? Osttruppen are a stronger early game build that has a lot of field presence early. Grens are a weaker early game build that does better than osttruppen do later on. Is that not the dynamic that pfusis vs volks presents in the mod (with pfusis at 280 manpower)? Volks are a stronger early game build, just like osttruppen are. Pfusis are a weaker early game build, just like grens. There's some nuance lost there, of course, but for what I assume you're proposing, isn't that how the argument would play out?

As for a con vs penal dynamic, cons bring utility while penals bring raw killing power (people would also say the con vs penal dynamic isn't well balanced right now but...). I don't see how one brings utility that the other doesn't in your example.

"That leaves making them weaker early than volks, but stronger later."

Why can't we act thought cost and early bleed ?

Don't understand what you mean here.

"For tactical movement"

Like i said, i don't feel like it's a tactical movement.

The bonuses apply only on the move and account for buffs of only 8-9% on g43 in terms of accuracy. They are very marginal.

The true meaning of that is yellow cover where there is no cover and zero cover on red penalty.

I was literally referring to tactical movement, the current ability when I said that. I was saying tactical movement probably wouldn't be problematic like you're saying because OKW already has valiant assault (a better version of tactical movement) in other doctrines and that isn't currently a large balance issue. Other close range infantry squads have sprint and that hasn't proven to be an issue either. Then, when I say "your suggested ability," I shift the conversation over to just that, the new ability you suggested, push.

Anyway, I think you're getting caught up in the math. The modifier would go from .8 to .88 (a raw increase of 8% stationary DPS, a 10% increase on moving DPS), but that's kind of besides the point. It's a minor increase, but why should there be a buff to moving DPS to begin with. The raw numbers are relatively harmless, but the point is that its probably a move in the wrong direction. Also, the cover would probably just enable you to frontally wipe HMGs, again, a move in the wrong direction. I can't see that kind of ability design as anything other than "make your panzerfusiliers even wipier, and ignore suppression so that you can frontally wipe HMGs."

I think you're making distinctions where they're not important and ignoring them where they are. They ARE NOT a 6 man elite squad in the current version of the game (they're a failed mainline replacement); they WERE a mainline replacement with vet bonuses that propelled them into being some psuedo 6 man elite squad - that was before these vet bonuses were toned down because they were broken. Also, no point in pointing out that OKW already has elite doctrinal and non doctrinal long range infantry, because thats not what panzerfusiliers are (thats not what they were, thats not what they are, and thats not what they are intended to be in the mod).

For your panzerfusilier change, what CP would they come at? If it's 1 cp or later, they won't be used because OKW players will already have all of their mainline squads by then. If it's 0 cp, then you just made OKWs early game more oppressive - probably the first entry on the list of "things not to do." Basically, if you make them come at anything besides 0 cp, they won't be used. If you make them stronger (more efficient) early than volks, that will make OKW more oppressive. That leaves making them weaker (less efficient) early than volks, but stronger later...which is exactly their design in the mod.

For tactical movement, OKW has valiant assault and that even has an accuracy bonus attached too, though the sprint doesn't last in combat. Also, ostheer has tactical movement. Of course tactical movement might end up being broken on schrecked panzerfusiliers (I personally don't think so), but if they are, that would be a panzerfusilier problem and not a tactical movement problem. I don't think that there is any risk at all of the ability being broken (again, outside of use on panzerfusiliers). I can agree the ability is a little boring and uninspired. That said, I think your suggested ability isn't a good idea. Panzerfusiliers already have stellar moving performance (THIS is panzerfusilers actual ideal combat use case by the way). I think buffing their moving performance through an ability even more would just make them wipier than they already are.

I think it would be good if you had an "other" option for each of the polls - some people might have a different idea than either of the two options provided.

As for the point about bundling, I get the sentiment behind it. Some abilities are bundled or not bundled seemingly arbitrarily (ie: why is the dozer bundled with 76mm shermans in mech, but a stand alone ability in the new urban assault company?). But I do personally think that the raw "5 abilities per commander" design is restricting for no real purpose. Bundling allows more control over the commander's design. It allows relatively lackluster abilities that aren't worth a slot alone to be in doctrines (like vipper pointed out with tank traps), but it also allows the power level of a commander to be more finely tuned. If a commander is lacking, but the abilities in it are all interesting and thematically appropriate, then bundling serves as a way to put more power into the commander without getting rid of the other interesting abilities.

Basically, I think commander's having 5 and always 5 slots unnecessarily limits the design space (and I think a lot of people agree). With the dozer ability, I think it's clear the ability hasn't hit its mark, and now that there's a better idea of where sentiments are on that doctrine, we're less scared to put more power into the doctrine and have the commander's abilities do more.

Dont forget it was also the time when schreck rockets could still snipe models.

Also when vehicles were exp pinatas for AT infantry. You would get something like a full vet bar each zook/schreck hit.

OKW vet was also way better during that time and volks were 235 manpower.