Well, i don't think 222s or ostwinds are going to knock out a jakson.
The problem is Usf do not have anything else that can deal with advanced mediums or heavies. You either hit these tanks from the front with your tds, or you flank them with mediums. The Panther is impossible to flank due to its speed, and most of the good usf mediums are hiding in bad doctrines. Soviets have the luxury of using t34/85s with mark target to quickly kill heavy tanks. They also can ram a panther making its mobility useless. Brits have tulips that stun, and the comet is pretty fast. |
This thread is about making Jackson have a weaknes and not a no brainer to build every game.
Having a way for the p4 to dominate the Jackson would give the unit a much needed weakness.
Then they would need something to beat p4s with .
Soviets have t34/85
Brits have comets
Easy 8 doctrine is never used
Maybe easy 8 with no doct and additional tech required would be good compensation.
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You assumption that I do not play USF is simply wrong, you reply should be addressed at Mr.Flush, who asked "why do usf players always pick shermans?"
All that is great but do not change the fact that M36 should not completely shut down the PzIV.
Panthers completely shut down shermans. Not saying the panther is crazy viable, but p4 not being able to fight a jakson is nothing new. |
Actually I have played all modes, but yea I play allot of 2v2s.
Because Shermans are more cost efficient than PzIV.
People use shermans them to pick off lone or capping squads. Usf players will avoid the parts of the maps with paks and other tanks are. You use them vs unsupported infantry, which is why people pick it over the jakson. A jakson without a target is wasted resources. This is 1v1
In 2v2 and above jaksons are built instead of sherman, but axis have plenty of counters through doctrines. The elephant with spotting scopes still exists, but the whole doctrine is not a game winner anymore. |
Again increasing the the target of the brumbar would leave the balance as is.
Exactly what mode are we taking about where ostheer can have both an Elephant and brumbars?
You are a 2v2 player, so you know any mode that is not 1v1. If it it 1v1, why do usf players always pick shermans?
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Not really. If there is a need for it one can increase the TS of Brumbar (first decreasing the accuracy of heavy TDs).
Generally Brumbar is a unit with lots of issues, currently it also completely shutdown by heavy TDs and its role becomes purely defensive.
I would rather see it come out earlier and hold less a punch. Or get its real role of an assault gun.
One of the reason the jakson got buffed was to deal with brumbar, elephant strats. Brits and soviets do fine vs them, but usf could not do much last patch. Usf is still worse than soviets this patch.
Also, Brumbars don't have huge issues and are really good. They have high hp and armor, so i do not see your point. All of the good players are still using them. |
Because it the only stock TD it does not mean that the USF do not have other tools to deal with meduims.
Their ATG can deal with mediums (far better than the RW), every singe infantry can pick bazookas, paratroopers now get super bazooka, they have access to mines, Sherman can stand up to ostheer PzIV, they have access to M10, even Stuart can assist vs mediums.
The idea that the M36 should completely shut down the PzIV by having extremely high chance to hit and penetrate 20 unit away from its max range and being able to outrun it is simply wrong.
Especially since the arrival of PzIV should mean that Ostheer are finally able to start pushing and since M36 arrival is very close to it.
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USf's other at options get hard countered by brumbars. If jakson gets a nerf, then usf will need another tank to fill the gap. We really need to see how usf does in tournaments before we start adjustments. Usf is worse than soviets, and I do not see people struggling to deal with them. |
big TDs shouldnt be superior vs medium and light tanks...maybe a target table?
So stuart or a sherman would be able to 1v1 a panther and win?
Bad logic.
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Probably should have a bonus vs the soviet sniper since the ostheer's incendiary shot got nerfed. |
Smoke and flank the jakson?
The memes
You can use he shells with the jagpanzer or use a jagtiger with okw.
Ostheer can use command tanks, panzer tactician, spotting scopes or elephants to aid them.
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