USF mortar can be terrible but it gives garrison dislodge and early smokes. More than worth its price. You just cant compare the killing potential of a T0 mortar to a pak howie tho. Dont forget that USF mortars are par on OST ones too.
If pineapple grenades had no man power cost then the mortar would be a good investment. You need grenades with mortar smoke to clear building or mgs. The usf mortar is seen as a bad investment, and if you force usf choose between a crappy mortar and a nerfed pak Howie there will be very few usf mains in 2's and up. |
What is the sole prupose of pak howie to you? USF has already T0 mortars to give "cheaper" (by your own words) and more versatile support to infantry.
Pak howie is an ez long range infantry killer. Nerfing it because its overperforming at killing is accurate. As long as you can hold the line with USF and a pak howie you can bleed enemies. It does not require fuel and comes way early when infantry fights are fundamental. The USF tech rework enabled USF to be versatile and deadly because of non conventional tools.
I wouldnt predict how much pak howie is going to be nerfed, i woulnt predict the game will get worse because of that. I want to see a great game with diverse units and difficulty.
To remove pak howie auto fire will consolidate it as a premium late indirect support weapon. Maybe adding another ability and reducing its smoke timing will help it to become a true support unit, as it should be.
Either that or removing T0 mortars for USF, making MortarHT stock and pak howie doctrinal.
The fact that usf "doesnt have rocket arty" argument is being abused to justify overperforming indirect fire units (scotts,pak howie) is worrying. USF tends to have a couple of support weapon options to choose to adapt offensively.
Dont believe me? suppression (.50 cal or aaht) medium tanks (sherman, 76, e8, m10), indirect fire (mortar, pak howie, scott, calliope) early lvs and tanks (stuart,greyhound), call in openings (on top of one of the best mainlines inf) (ass engies, pathfinders)
USF rooster is numerous for a reason and that reason is to adapt the offense, not to abuse the OP unit in each meta.
People comparing pak howie to pwerfer only confirms tha pak howies are op, because they come earlier, no fuel, no micro required. To compare pak howie to howitzers make it worse, since they do cost fuel too and are doctrinal.
The usf mortar is terrible. Turning the pak Howie into barrage only weapon is a good idea, but Usf needs help in 2's and up vs support happy opponents. I'm talking about those narrow maps with important resource points placed in middle. Usf has a difficult time before mortar halftracks or pak howitzers are out. |
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We need to find a compromise if we want to adjust this unit.
The pak Howie is currently strong because usf's mortar is a piece of crap. Usf's mortar gets wrecked by the ostheer's mortar. If the pak howitzer gets nerfed, we need to give usf earlier access to tools that deal with turtles.
We could make pineapple-grenade-unlock free
We could buff the USF mortar to ostheer lvls
Give usf a sniper
Move ostheer mortar to second tier building
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These threads are most likely started by someone who spams the crap out of mgs and has a rage fit when someone wrecks them with a pak howitzer,mortar halftrack, or sniper |
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You see most top players build 2 or more mgs a game with usf,okw, or ostheer. I rarely see snipers being built.
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How about remove snipers from all factions?
Remove mgs too ;D |
Great since Ostheer can get the doctrinal assault grenadiers make the Pack howitzer also doctrinal.
Again the unit is simply to powerful for it's time frame.
Add sniper to usf's roster and we will be good |
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I do feel like usf should get e8's without a doctrine, but they should require additional tech to unlock them. The ai could be toned down a tiny bit and the penetration go up slightly. The jacksons fire rate would be toned down so p4's counter them. Jacksons hvap would become its standard round, but the dmg changed to 160.
The e8s would be similar in role to Panthers, and the Jackson would only be built to counter heavies. I think that is the best way to balance usf tanks |
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Nothing wrong with the heavies before the patch. Well, maybe the kt needs a small buff. |
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I brought this up like 2 years ago. I hope the team will notice this time around. |
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