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Honest to god, the ostheer panther is now IMO in a better spot than the OKW one since the RoF buff. However the issue I have with putting a lot of DPS on MGs of tanks is when you get to 30 minutes the entire map is yellow cover, and that negates 50% of the DPS.

Never seen so much out of date shit in a balance thread before, maybe you guys should work on your builds, try out new units.

Gren fragile meme is long dead, axis have better value units for trading, the good allied off-maps are much better in 1v1 than 2v2, axis still has aura units that haven't been touched in years and are completely op, axis has better indirect across the board, heavies are almost always useless at this point.

M8 calm down with that allied bias. You gotta at least put some allied stuff in there to make it look credible Kappa

Things happen. Good to hear all is resloved.

Welp I guess it's time to throw some facts about counters into this thread. The churchill and other heavies similar to it like the KV-1 are in no means "OP". They have a specific niche situation where they can fuck you really hard if they catch you off guard though. Due to the units large HP pool and decent armor and gun it can engage P4s easily and come out on top. Panthers, while easily able to pen these tanks are not a serious threat due to the panther RoF vs the heavy HP pool. It simply takes too long for the panther to kill these tanks unless they're snared. So the only other option is massed AT walls made of AT guns or StuGs/JP4.

This is why they can catch you off guard in a 1v1 match. Say you're playing as OKW and get your p4 out, and then all the sudden a KV-1 comes out. Your p4 has barely over 50% chance to pen at min range frontally and far less HP which makes trading very bad against this tank. While the KV-1 isn't expected to kill the p4, it cannot effectivly be pushed away by the p4, meaning the KV-1 has free reign of the field depending on the AT gun situation. This situation lasts for 5-6 minutes until you can field a JP4 which is one of the only effective counters vs these types of tanks. The JP4 is also a specialized TD which has its limits in the 1v1 matchup as well, further limiting your composition. This is one of the reasons the churchill crocodile was so effective before DBP, since it couldn't be countered by panthers or p4s well and also eliminated AT walls easily, leaving only the JP4 and StuG capable of dealing with the tank. So if you didn't happen to have those tanks on the field or were far off from them, you likely got your ass kicked by the croc.

Ostheer is in a better position than OKW against these tanks because the StuG is dirt cheap at 90F. While you may need 2 of them to effectivly kill it or pak TWPs, they're not undefeatable.

In summary: You need your factions designated AT units to kill tanks. shocker.

As siddolio said. Just hit it once with the zis and he'll back off with it. If your opponet is stupid enough to let it sit on 160 HP then its easy pickings.