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Thread: Maxim Sustained Fire10 Dec 2019, 23:51 PM maybe make the reload faster ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 23:44 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2019, 23:30 PMMazianni OKW has other healing options Stgs also don't require an entirely separate tech purchase just to get them. BGHQ is a superior FHQ 75% of the time thanks to durability alone. The only time it's conceivably worse is if you're losing badly and getting shelled constantly by something like double pack howitzers or a ml-20. Major+Ambulance FRP is rarely viable outside of team games. hey don't u know everyone should use the medic crates for healing only ? thank u for showing ur bias, why not remove at guns for soviet ? i mean there is prts it's another anti tank option , yes u have to pay a lot to sue the satchel and lot of micro but who cares technically yes as u need trucks to get them moving > non moving are we really discussing this ? and losing a bghq does not cost only 10 fuel and some man power depending on if u retreat, it cost u 600 mp and 55 fuel to set it up again In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 20:37 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2019, 18:20 PMMr Carmine Okw used to be the biggest offender in "free" stuff. Medics repair station and point denail included with tech. No extra cost no upgrading needed just tech. Now of course the dont just get them. Usf crews medic and retreat point at least require micro and are quite vunerable so their is higher risk involved, this balances out the benefits mostly. Something okw did not have to worry about mostly if at all. Free might not be the right term for axis upgrades. But they do pretty much get a bargain. Its all included. You get your upgrade with natural tech, you will always get acces to them. It does not delay tech however slightly that may be. You also get abilities such as riflenade inc nade next to new units. So the stg,s for volks not being as strong as 2 bars seems fair. so is healing not important ? stg can't be doubled up like bar and are u saying major is + ambulance is a worse retreat point than fhq ? u know u can move it where u want right ? and it heals in area ? "it does not delay tech" lol didn't know BP and truck had instant build time, u could literally call the okw truck flame nade unlock , u don't need a genius here, having tech divided for the same cost is an advantage not a disadvantage u must be pretty biased to not see that, especially considering in COH2 u can rush a lot of things , example if ukf wanted to rush n AEC it could skip side tech , okw or osther don't have such choice , the upgrade are bundled with tech and are not discounted : aec + tier 1 45 fuel okw 60 + -10 starting fuel (so 70) for luch or puma and ost 60 IF they skip tier 1 so most likely 70 fuel for 222, "BuT i WaNt WaPoNS" then get them it's 15 fuel so u get 60 fuel cost "BuT i WaNt NaDeS" get them too it's 10 fuel so we reach 70 fuel, loook at that u get the light vehicle weapon upgrade and tech unit for 70 fuel SAME as osther or okw but guess who has the option to get it earlier at 45 fuel ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 17:39 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2019, 17:37 PMblvckdream Yes it costs 15, I corrected that. I really don't know what your point is anymore though. First you said UKF pays less for more. Now all of a sudden your point is that Ostheer and Soviets are balanced towards each other and the DLC factions are to be looked at separately. But then why did you claim Ost pays more for tech than UKF but gets less? I am confused. no i literally said axis does not get free upgrade, i did mention okw pays pays more for less is some aspect (stg are 1 bar , 1 sherck etc) , i did not say ost (that's why i added okw in the ()) pays more, ost pays same as su In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 17:29 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2019, 17:27 PMblvckdream Ok I will help you as you would just post made-up fantasy numbers again. Here are the actual numbers: UKF full tech: 270 Fuel - 20 starting fuel = 250 Fuel Ost full tech: 225 Fuel - 20 starting fuel = 205 Fuel OKW full tech: 260 Fuel - 10 starting fuel = 250 Fuel Soviet full tech: 220 Fuel - 20 starting fuel = 200 fuel USF full tech: 270 fuel - 20 starting fuel = 250 Fuel can i ask u why u removed 5 fuel from okw ? medic should still cost 15 fu righ ? and still this proves my point, okw is balanced with dlc factions, ost is balanced with su unless okw get's even more free stuff and same for osther but last time i check all seem normal to me In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 16:46 PM to address the 3 trolls here, kat blv and pereat here https://www.coh2.org/topic/96750/redirect-thread-faction-teching-and-timing/page/2 just add 5 starting fuel to okw 1) the list was not made by me, i copy pasted it by elechino7 and added extra build order 2) OH and SU both pay much less for tech , let u guess why they have to build techs AND have no free stuff like ALL DLC factions (KT,emplacment, 25 pounders, vehicle crew,etc) 3) u can literally see ukf full tech cost is almost the same (255 vs 250) but okw can't double upgrade or give more HP to sturm pio, etc 4) kat must be terrible at math cause last time i checked 225 > 220 , or would u like to argue that okw pays more than SU too ? 5) starting fuel guys i know it's easy to forget by u need to count it so there is not FREE UPGRADE AXISS BIASSSSS !1!1!!!!! (unless u count SU as axis in that case yes but that would be post ww 2) and sice some people here haven't passed elementary school i will do the math for u by removing starting fuel okw 255 ukf 250 usf 250 ost 205 edit su 200 edit so unless KT is free stuff but major vehicle crews 25 pounders, etc are not they have similar tech cost unless " but OPW pays more for KT, i mean it's not like major is free or 17 pounder is free or vehicle crews are free" In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The recent Infantry Sections nerf10 Dec 2019, 12:06 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2019, 18:44 PMblvckdream This is ridiculous. I can't believe you are serious here. UKF mine spam was never an issue. Maybe take the mines away too so UKF is even more handicapped and lacking basic tools to fix this insanely OP issue of UKF being able to plant mines with their tech-locked engineer unit. Ohh the horror. Just a small hint: There is indeed a faction that is spamming mines, guess which one it is? I give you a hint, the one with super cheap engineers and no non-doctrinal weapon upgrade for their infantry. And oh btw, their infantry doesn't need muni to heal themselves either. On a more serious note, UKF brens and PIATS are locked behind another MP/fuel investment. So are the grenades. What is the problem here? Meanwhile spending 60 muni on a game-long STG or LMG upgrade is not a big deal whatsoever. Infantry Sections also require munitions for pyro or heal upgrade so your argument of Infantry Sections not needing upgrades being a huge snowball balance killer is just grasping at straws. Infantry Sections were OP, they deserved a nerf but literally EVERYTHING but not this awkward back to camp-static gameplay change that no one wanted. again with this both okw and osther get their mandatory tech and cost more for less we have this discussion every time, both okw and ost pays for upgrades in the tech with a bundle sometimes (okw) it cost more for less but come sightly earlier In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Factions and tournament10 Dec 2019, 12:03 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2019, 09:15 AMSander93 There are many more issues with tournament "stats". Low sample size (causing unreliability because RNG/mistakes/spawns/etc rather than faction balance can heavily influence the results of the low amount of games), potentially corrupt data (if a good player wins versus a worse player 3-0, and they happened to pick Allies first, Allies get a 66% win ratio while they would've had 50% with 4 games played, or Axis would've had 66% if they happened to pick Axis first, and with the low sample size this does not get cancelled out on the average), or the fact that there's a huge price pool and players will generally only play safe with tried and tested strategies (OKW Grand Offensive) instead of taking risks with off-meta strats that could potentially work better (Noggano snatching G2 of the finals with Defensive Tactics, and almost getting G4 with OST Infantry Doctrine). Or the fact that most 1v1 players simply dislike playing UKF (as proven by low pick rates even at a time they were very competitive) regardless of how the faction is. In conclusion, tournament data is indicative at best, but never conclusive. then what's indicative ? auto macth stats ? no cause they are random and u get put with lower skill lvl stats? nope cause they are tailored to the factions roster ? nope cause each faction is unique how do we do it ? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: british forward glider = 9 pop8 Dec 2019, 14:36 PM hector stop In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The most OP unit is the game drum roll is...8 Dec 2019, 11:04 AM In: COH2 Balance