BUFF BUTTON too |
I haven't checked it recently but don't the Sherman's AP shells have the same penetration profile as the Cromwell?
Penetration values don't tell the whole story.
The Ostheer Panzer IV has 180 frontal armour to the Cromwell, Sherman, and T-34/76's 160. The Cromwell, for example, has the same chance to penetrate a Panzer IV as the Panzer IV has to penetrate a Cromwell at point-blank range (75%) but the Panzer IV has a slightly higher fire rate so it is expected to win head-on fights. At any other range, the Panzer IV has a higher chance to penetrate the Cromwell than vice versa (M 68.75% v. 66.66%, F 62.5% v. 58.33%).
The T-34/76 was fairly widely considered a poor tank before the MG buff despite its low fuel cost because the penetration fall-off meant it was extremely unreliable at any range but point-blank (and it couldn't reliably kill infantry).
The problem with major buffs to the penetration of any medium tank is that they devalue both more expensive and heavier-armoured units, and tank destroyers. For all the issues players have with the Tiger's "low" frontal armour, your average medium tank has less than a 50% chance to penetrate it.
you forgot accuracy as always the Sherman and Cromwell get 0.75 on the move p4 only 0.5 |
Because Guards are so unpopular among Soviet players right? And Guards can pen light vehicles and medium tanks just fine, button has been nerfed since its earlier total disable, but calling it as worthless as volley fire is not true. Guards may not be the best AT squad in the game, but they are the best the soviets got. Shock troops role can be filled by Penals snipers and other units,(including guards themselves) but there is only one guards squad.
well right now button is a temporary snare wich cost 40 mun so is really bad and the cool down and aim time of ptrs are wrost than zook so yea I would fix button to turret lock and slow and buff the cool down of ptrs while lowering their damage to infantry to 14 |
No, it has 200 Damage at vet 0. Stop talking out of your ass, you can check in literally 10 seconds.
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=sherman_firefly_76mm_mp
so 280 at vet 3 wow
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Well, yeah, you are right. On the other hand, don't you think that the top medium of a faction should reliably pen the rear armour of heavies? That's what top mediums are all about.
I think that is ok Infact I was stating a point it fit the meta soo well |
T-34/85 penned rear armor of all axis tanks 100% since forever. tiger and KT say otherwise |
So can P4. Increase P4 price?
Isn't really that relevant, because its main cannon can actually hit infantry.
Irrelevant. Pfaust and puppchen is just as lethal to it.
Irrelevant. Arguably, its the only soviet relevant doctrine since forever.
EZ8 got even more, yet it costs pretty much the same. Both, 34/85 and ez8 are half tier above P4, so them being stronger then it isn't really an argument. They got discount, because they are doctrinal units that require tech structure, no other vehicle does.
Only panther and TDs shoot slower.
Not really an argument. It fits meta, because its reliable.
If you want to nerf units, because they fit meta, you'd have to nerf HMG42, all OKW inf call-ins, pretty much any unit that is reliable.
It still get easily beaten by stug and jp4
no really katiof wtf !!!!
Was I saying nerf that shit ?I was just stating a point I don't want to nerf it or make it cost too much
And p4 is overpriced but yea say what you want
Btw no p4 can't pen all tank rear Churchill is 2 Isu comet it has only 110 pen
Do you even think before posting or are you are just to disagree everyone : " I like that cake" kat :"no you don't " |
It's not that is under priced but the problem lies in the indirect buff it got , let's start:
1 now can pen any axis rear armor
2 t34-76 mg buffed so t34 85 too
3 volks blob gone
4 is in one of the best doc for all faction (motor guard)
Then has 800 hp and enough armor to make p4 bounce it
While having awesome rate of fire
So it fits the meta too well
It still get easily beaten by stug and jp4 |
which are able to brace
ho at least give them counter |
paradropped, mine laying, flamethrowin, command king tiger ace.
with vet 5 obersoldaten pop-out crew that can self repair. 6 man ober squad with all mg 34 |