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Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.3 Update20 Dec 2016, 08:07 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2016, 04:10 AMelchino7 I guess no matter how much we discuss the topic, you are gonna nitpick something and continue through that point even when i've to correct several points which you haven't acknowledge yet (Semi autos (the response was your POV of how they SHOULD work, not HOW they work), accuracy against cooldown/reload). Context matters. If you feel that I have misrepresented your view I apologize. My point was simple imo if unit A start wining fight vs B as they both gain veterancy than unit A should be considered that it "scaling better". Veterancy bonuses and abilities are imo a mess (and should be number 1 priority imo) and I was happy to read to that the next patch will probably focus on that. In the end of the day we agree that Penals probably need some veterancy bonuses changes and I am fine with that. I am not sure where we disagree about Semi auto weapons but G43 is not a good example since it is weapon upgrade and not default weapon and Relic has chosen a weird way to go about weapon upgrades. Volks ST44 for instance an assault rifle has better DPS at max range than K98 a bolt action rifle. The only default (if I remember correctly) semi autos are SVT and M1 and Gren beat Riflemen in range 35 heavy cover (keep in mind that riflemen are already OP as required by faction design). So should semi autos be effective at range imo? yes they should they should be third from the top behind lmgs and bolt action rifles. Should units with Semi autos (designed for mid to far range) beat units designed to excel only at long range? Imo no (at least as long as timing of the unit is similar). In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.3 Update20 Dec 2016, 00:29 AM I moved this here from the T1 viability thread because it more about Penal and less about T1. In that thread I have argued that Penals veterancy abilities and bonuses are problematic with the SVTs Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2016, 21:25 PMelchino7 At vet 2, their scaling is in inferior to: Conscripts, AT partisans, Guards, Assault Guards, Grens, PG, Assault Grens, Osstruppen, Storm, LT, Cpt, Ass Eng, Pathfinders, Volks, Ober, PF, Falls n JLI. Well it rather depends on how you define that... Penal will lose vs Lmg Grens (range 35, heavy cover, vet0). The same fight at vet 1 will have Penals break about even. From vet 2 and above Penal will win easily. So actually Penal scale better than Grens... And there is another issue, Penal start as one of the strongest units for their timing. They also increase their DPS with every vet level contrary to other units that gain defensive bonuses. In addition they gain more XP with every model killed (XP value of models) and can stay in the front-line longer via merge. That means they generally can gain veterancy fast and can become vet 1 before they have to face LMG grens. Imo no mater what route is taken their veterancy bonus abilities and POP need fixing In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: T1 viability19 Dec 2016, 17:49 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2016, 16:56 PMelchino7 Penals receive an extra 30% acc bonus at vet 3. For the other vet bonus at vet 2 and vet3 is the standard (same as Grens regarding RA). Penals vet1 4% accuracy, -2% weapon cooldown, and -3% received accuracy per member lost. vet2 +30% accuracy -20% weapon cooldown Conscript vet2 +40% accuracy, +25% molotov range Partisan Troops - Sub-Machineguns -25% weapon cooldown Guards Rifle Infantry 10% penetration, +30% accuracy, -17% received accuracy Guards Rifle Infantry (Assault) -25% weapon cooldown, -29% received accuracy Shock Troops -25% weapon cooldown, -17% received accuracy, -40% smoke grenade recharge Grenadiers +40% accuracy, Panzergrenadiers -25% weapon cooldown, -29% received accuracy Riflemen -23% received accuracy, -20% weapon cooldown As you can see Vet Penals get one highest DPS increase by vet 2 compared to other soviet and axis infantry (although their starting weapons are quite good to begin with)and allot more than riflemen and Pgs that they area actually comparable to. Only volks get similar vet 2 bonuses and those where designed for when they only had K98 access.... Penal veterancy ability and bonuses are an issue, but lest not focus on Penal as other threads do. I think the road that was followed in the case of soviet call-in tanks could also be followed here. As Soviet stock units have become increasingly better patch by patch there Call-in infantry could become less cost efficient and T1 could provide bonuses to call-in infantry to make both call-ins and T1 more appealing. In: Lobby
Thread: Comunnity poll for T1/penals design19 Dec 2016, 13:52 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2016, 13:07 PMAradan Penals and conscripst cannot coexist, without make one another useless. they can quiet easily 1) one of them becomes cheap or 2) one of them is aggressive the other defensive infantry... Relaying on 1 type of infantry is rather bad design... In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Comunnity poll for T1/penals design19 Dec 2016, 08:41 AM If one wants to continue the Flamer/PTRS approach I would suggest that Penal spawn with 6 PPsh (shock troops curve around 60% of DPs). That would help solve the flamer DPS issue since the unit would have to move very close for optimum DPS That would solve the PTRS AI issue without creating a third PTRS profile with completely different properties, since half the AI of the unit would be far half of it close. An option for upgrading to SVT could remain open for Penals if need allowing Gren/VG to retain the supremacy in long range fights until Penal can upgrade to SVTs. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Comunnity poll for T1/penals design19 Dec 2016, 07:52 AM If ones want to actually put an ATG in T1 I would rather move ZIS to T1 and M-42 in T2. Spamming snipers that can be protect by the cheap M-42 can prove problematic. It would also provide a reason to back tech to T1. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: T1 viability19 Dec 2016, 07:39 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2016, 03:48 AMelchino7 That's your personal opinion. Semi automatic rifles doesn't mean that it has to be ineffective at range, neither in the game (look at G43 vs Kar) nor IRL. Going off Topic a bit here but G43 are a weapon upgrade and weapon upgrades do not perform as default weapon. That can be easily seen in PPsh where the Default shock PPsh is far superior at close (5) the Cons PPsh but far inferior further way. That imo is direct byproduct of Relics instance to make weapon upgrades replace some of the unit weapon and not all of them. Imo thing would work allot better if all weapon where replaced instead of half (accept in the case of lmgs). For instance conscripts could get either 6 PPsh (shock curve) or 6 SVT (pre 21st June patch curve.) Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2016, 03:48 AMelchino7 Gaining accuracy or any other type of offensive stat is the same. It affects DPS but at that point it is either offset by enemy veterancy or in the battlefield (yellow cover everywhere). Not exactly, Penal get more DPS bonuses and less defensive than the majority of other units. In addition the type of DPS bonus fits different weapon types only accuracy bonuses would help Shock very little but would benefit fast firing weapons with decent accuracy far too much. I really see no problem replacing one of the accuracy bonuses with cool down (or reload or any other stat instead of accuracy) as in the case of most other infantries, especially since vet 1 ability contributes to accuracy also. (If one want to actually make them "glass-cannons" one would have imo have to reduce number of entities) In: Lobby
Thread: T1 viability18 Dec 2016, 22:41 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 19:16 PMelchino7 No they weren't. No one wanting to REALLY win with SU bother going T1 on 1v1 and barely usable on 2v2+ (flamer clowncar against OKW).... They will lose the mp attrition war against people of same skill level. Just because the spamming penal did not work does not mean that the unit was not balanced. One got what he paid for... On the other hand almost doubling the far accuracy of semi-autonomic weapon (instead of replacing it with a bolt action) for a unit that gains mostly accuracy bonuses was like asking for trouble... I do not actually agree with the attrition argument since Penal where cheap to reinforce and could become even cheaper via merge. Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 19:16 PMelchino7 You had a glasscannon unit which suffer simil problems with PG. Since the whole squad is compound of the same weapon, losing models drops DPS faster than having weapon upgrades been transferred. I don't really agree with the glass-cannon characterization either since 6 men squad are not really "glass-cannons". Osstturppen are more durable than grenadier although of the huge difference in target size. Penal have more EFH than conscripts and if they are glass cannons conscripts are more glass and less cannons. The problem of PG is quite different the come to late and cost too much...By the time the come out infantry fights are mostly over and they hold very little shock value... Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 19:16 PMelchino7 I'll argue that actually implementing the PPSH from the get-go (nerfing long range capabilities) and adjusting the extra +30% acc at vet3 should had been enough to avoid Rifles 2.0. If something else was needed, increasing popcap, reinforce and build time would had helped. I agree. The unit does get ridiculous high accuracy bonus and to make thing even worse it get more DPS form the vet 1 ability. But I would rather not make this another thread about Penals lets leave that to other threads. If I understand correctly you do seem to agree Penal need minor adjustments and T1 can become more viable either for start or for back tech by fixing the other units in it. The fact that this patch has toned down the shock value or timing of Light vehicles by itself makes T1 more viable for Soviets. In: Lobby
Thread: T1 viability18 Dec 2016, 16:02 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 15:45 PMJohnSmith I'm not sure why Vipper thinks she needs a special separate thread to discuss what she already attempted to talk about in a different thread. People disagreed there already, no need to have more people disagreeing here too. Simply because the other thread are about Penal and this is about the other units in T1. In: Lobby
Thread: WHY are soviets the center of winter balance patch18 Dec 2016, 12:31 PM I wouldn't even agree that Soviet are the center. The number of bug fixes and life quality changes are impressive and probably bigger than any other patch before. There simply more solution being tested around Penals... In: COH2 Balance