Profile of Vipper

Before starting I would like to explain that I will be using the following numbering:
T0 for base building for all factions and thus the numbering will be come different, resource will presented as Manpower(MP)/Fuel(FU)/Munition(MU)

Imo Ostheer T4 is simply not worth it. This primary a diversity issue but also in some extent a balance issue.

Tech cost faction and what comes with it:

USF
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Total 790/265


WEHR
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Total 750/250/60 (edited)

Soviet
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Total 910/225

OKW
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Total 1060/260

UKF
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Total 920/255

From this numbers one can see that Ostheer T4 (if one does not skip a building) requires almost the same as unlocking every tech for other factions.

To make thing worse:
1) Teching is linear and is rather difficult to skip building.
2) Other factions can choose if and when they want tech specifics upgrades and buildings
3) Ostheer T4 provides 2 very expensive specialized vehicles and player have to chose one of them in most cases.
4) Unlike (and similar to Soviets) UKF or OKW or USF (T0+3 Tiers) do not get any bonuses for unlocking T4 although it a higher Tier than other faction.
5) Allied TD are very effective at hitting and penetrating both vehicles from Ostheer T4 even at ranges 60.

Suggestions that might help not all them need to be implemented:

Tone down all TDs by making heavy TD more inaccurate especially at range 60 and medium TDs (Su-76/Stug) less chance to penetrate heavily armored vehicles. Also lowering damage of all stock TDs to 160. (If KT becomes an issue some TDs could get bonuses against it.)

Give some bonuses for building all Tier (maybe a 5 entity for an Ostheer infantry)

Allow Ostheer to have the option to go only T3 or T4 by swapping Ostwind with Brumbar. Both units will have to adjusted (Brumbar probably more expensive but better frontal armor for less lethality)(Ostwind either cheaper or far more efficient).

Make a multi-role main battle tank available in T4. This can be achieved by either giving a tank gun to the Panther and making the doctrinal Tiger more of TD or by making Tiger stock and Panther doctrinal.

Give Panther AP/HE switchable rounds.


(credits to Firespark for tech cost info)

Guard Rifles can´t effectivly fight a supported Luchs and until T-70 gets out the OKW player takes over the whole map.

Try using cover luch is extremely bad against units in cover.

Just in case cause this is is a tricky misconception.

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As far as I know there is cover type described as "Team weapon heavy" and I am under the impression that the 2 crew member operating zis/pak/m1 57/6 pounder benefit from this type of cover.

This type of cover is directional as far as I know.

There is a huge advantage to continuing to move closer, in that your opponent will have longer time at max DPS. Stated another way, when he tries to get back, which he will, the shock DPS will remain high for longer if they have further to go.

Shocks just don't make sense right now, with their late arrival, lack of AT, and miserable damage at all ranges other than face hugger. Their huge cost and inability to effectively merge with scripts makes them expensive at all points in the game. Throw in that penals are much more efficient and you just won't see them. However, they are still good. Imagine if you could get them at 0CP's as long as you picked a commander. I suspect you would see them every game.

Shocks need a slight buff, they either need to be more survivable to close gaps or they need less punishing DPS drop offs. Changes to penals should also help to make them more attractive. Their extremely lack luster AT won't be a problem if they are truly amazing at their job of AI. Their vet 1 also should be replaced, probably by ranger like vet 1 which makes nades (or maybe just smoke nades) cool down faster.

Actually no. If you move closer then 10 you opponent will increased DPS while you will not. If your opponent moves back you can follow him and you still have an advantage because Shock have some of the best modifier for firing on the move.

Again Shock DO NOT have face hug opponent to have good DPS, they have one of the highest DPS from range 10.

.... I think one of the biggest problems with shocks is that they sort of have a disadvantage against mainline inf of both ost and okw as grens have lmgs that pretty much negate shocks' armor (in theory I guess) and volks having stgs and rifles that do decent damage at all ranges to shocks, even facehugging distance, especially when there is more than one squad. Shocks are also way more expensive than volks and slightly more expensive than grens, and die more often in combat (as a six man assault squad)...

Shocs have no reason to move closer then 10 since their DPS does not improve closer to that range so they should not facehug anything.