Profile of Tiger Baron

1. Mech company - it's really MP intensive commander. You simply won't afford adding all of this units call in stuff - this gives a lot of tactical possibities how you gonna play with it. Some of them really hard to use (like mark target or a barrage from WC51 - it's like a reward for keeping in alive into late game)

2. Armor Company - if you wanna combine m10 and buldozer you should make it both buildable in t3. Greyhound is already in recon company and it's one of key reasons to pick that commander. Adding it to armor company would possibly kill already rarely see Recon C.

3. NKVD - abilities cannot cost 0 ammo in faction that already float ammo. Even symbolic price will be good.

4. IF you say Mech company has a lot of stuff inside look at british tactical support. Wow, so many ammo ablities. Croc imo is too much (you drop 2 x AT and mortar for 200mp and 150ammo and with Croc you make a uncrossable wall) - maybe consider adding a weaker call in stuff like m10 or sherman 75mm (popular around british forces).

5. Mortar in Royal artylery regiment - Early warning is a good usefull ability, i am 100% sure that mobile mortar team will be added in new december commanders.

6. ambulance bug is a thing

BTW great idea with a mortar in tactical regiment A_Soldier

1. Yeah I mean the point is to have choices, but then again as someone else said they got enough options for 2 commanders now lol, I even joked that it was it's own separate Army yesterday in the matches I tested the commander out.

2. Again, yeah, they would both be unlocked by the Major and again, it would free up a slot to be used for something else, just throwing it out there, they were even bundled in Baker Company in Ardennes Assault but I always preferred the M10s since Cav Rifles were lacking AT.

To add to the point about the M8 Greyhound, so I'm a bit confused here since I have never used Recon or the M8 because I don't even think I own the commander but somebody else said that it was underwhelming, while you're here saying that it's all people choose Recon for, so my question is, what is it exactly? I would like to see more of it but I would of course not use it if it's not worth it, but if it really is the only thing that people choose Recon for then I suppose it's a bad idea, I don't really know. Like I said it's mostly nostalgia speaking on my part for it.

3. I never said anything about the Soviets, hell I haven't even tested them since I don't even play them, well apart from their T34/85 with vehicle repair commanders (ie Armored Assault and Motor Guards Rifle or whatever it was called with the Guards). Altho I had an idea of the commissar having a retreat point, like the USF Major, but I guess that would be a bt ironic lol.

4. I sadly haven't had the time to test out the new Tac Support, but even so going by what you have said, back in the UKF Alpha I suggested the M10 Achilles be added which was basically the M10 Wolverine but with the Firefly's 17 pounder gun mounted, it probably wouldn't take so much effort and time on Relic's part to make it but hey, I'm just suggesting. As for the M4A4, yes I suggested it as well in my New Commander Concepts topic if you read that, again part of the American Lend-Lease commander for the British that also included an M3A1 Scout Car (from the Soviets), air dropped supplies (from where the mortar for Brits idea came from), M3 HT that dropped BARs and bazookas like the Special Weapons HT and even the M5 Stuart. But I suppose that just the M10 would also be a possibility to add.

In reality the British used a lot of US vehicles so we have a lot to work with, around 70 or more % of the Lend-Lease contract we had went to them anyhow, the Soviets only received around 30, which was a lot of trucks, food and 7000 tanks if I'm not mistaken, Shermans, M3 Lees, Stuarts, you name it. While the British gave them some 3000 tanks in the form of the Churchill, Valentine (up-armored and further improved by the Soviets to adapt to the Eastern Front) and so forth.

5. I agree, I am sure that the new commander for the British will have a mobile mortar team however, right now options are limited and I would say that a mortar would also fit in Royal Artillery until the new commander arrives because I am not sure if there will be another revamp patch because of the end of the "5 year plan". So it's better to take the opportunity while it's still here rather than regretting it later, that's my opinion at least, I could be completely wrong of course.

6. Yes.

And yeah thanks again.

Alright so after testing out the even more improved Mech Company -

As much as I love the mini Army this commander has become it probably is a bit too much.

What I suggest is:

Leave the WC-51 as a call in unit instead of it being in the HQ.
Combine Cav Rifles and the M3 to make a combat group again.
Keep the M21 Mortar Halftrack in the place of Redraw and Refit.
Keep Combined Arms.

The 76mm Sherman needs to be fixed or replaced by an E8, as much as I love it it's simply broken and very abusable right now, and as much as Vipper's idea of replacing it with the M10 makes sense Combined Arms's potential would be largely wasted on a combination of Cav Rifles in M3 HTs and M10s in my opinion.

As far as the UKF goes -

As someone else already said, it's probably a good idea to also give a mortar to Royal Artillery in the place of Early Warning, either a mobile mortar section or the M21 Mortar Halftrack from the USF. As I said it's a 30 munition max hax ability in a doctrine already filled with munition based abilities plus, at least one of your teammates will be able to provide Recon somehow in team games, in which this commander will probably be chosen more often than not anyhow.

Related to Tac Support, I would like to offer my services of photo editing and create or at least edit the Air Supply Operation's icon and replace the MG icon with a Mortar one, and replace the Forward Artillery post's icon to also include the Forward Assembly, somehow.

I just sadly need somebody to provide me with the icons since I have never actually extracted an SGA file so I have no idea how to do it, or at least have forgotten how to do it.

Edit: Suggestion for Armor Company - if the M10 and 105 Sherman are kept in the doctrine they can be combined, in the same manner as Mech Company's Reserve Armor, to free up a slot for something like the M8 Greyhound which can be tweaked a little to make it worthwhile which would also help out Recon Company a bit I guess. Call it nostalgia but I think this unit could see the light of day a bit more than currently.

Edit2: I also noticed that my Ambulance instantly vanished when it was locked down and I used Redraw and Refit (for the first time in my life) on it so it's probably worth a look lol.

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The new changes look pretty neat!

Mechanized seems quite ability heavy now though, what with having three call-ins in one ability. Maybe shift one of its abilities to Armor to replace Elite Crews?

I think there is room to fit the M8 Greyhound in there somewhere as well lol.

>Air Resupply Operation

-Vickers HMG replaced by M1 81mm Mortar; same version used by the USF.

Oh lol, this will be the next meta commander forever now... mortars, croc and arty support

You need seriously consider adding mortar to other commander(s) now or this will turn into Special Weapons Regiment v2

Regarding NKVD, whats the point in decreasing squad RA? Also why make these underwhelming abilities Commisar has cost zero munitions? Soviets are a munition hoarding faction, instead of making them zero cost you can turn them into AoE buff and increase their costs by 3 or so times.

Also - completely useless m42 is still there, taking a valuable slot for something useful for Urban Defence, you cant seriously justify "AT" gun that has no scaling into midgame let alone endgame for a faction that already has a great non-doc AT gun available

Yeah, Royal Arty can probably also have a mortar team added to it instead of like, early warning for example.

If it only comes down to the problem of base healing in the base I think a much simpler solution to the problem would be a medic upgrade for the HQ at 250 manpower, same as the Soviets, just with a bigger range as to cover the huge ass circle of sandbags.

If you follow the vehicle to the edge of the map the amount of resources returned very briefly shows up like an XP counter when your units kill something.

I imagine that you get the resources once the unit safely arrives off the map rather than instantly. If not, this is definitely prone to abuse as well.

Something else to take into consideration is that I don't believe I got any munitions back for recalling my WC-51 that was Vet 2 and upgraded. Just appeared to be 150mp.

I'm not crazy about the idea of upgrading the M3 to a M-21. If I built the M3 in the first place, it was likely because I wanted a rolling reinforcement point or transportation for units (typically units with bazookas). The M-21 on the other hand serves a completely different purpose. If I wanted a M-21 in the first place, I would be really annoyed with having to upgrade the M3 to get it.

At this point, I think the best way forward to make this commander more attractive is outright replacing the two abilities that are real juicy. There is a good foundation here (unlike Armor Company) but it's missing something that rounds it out.

Perhaps if Assault Engineers are buffed to make them worthwhile, they could outright replace one of the current abilities in this doctrine. Two birds with one stone there, a good solid unit for Armor Company and Mechanized Company, and they fit the theme of both of them exceptionally well.

I want to look at Assault Engineers the way I look at I&R Pathfinders, Rangers, Paratroopers, etc. Those are awesome units that add real value to a doctrine. I really think they should be roughly on par with Sturmpioneers considering the cost is the same, their intended purpose is pretty much the same, even the name is similar.

Edit: Just wanted to be clear about what I'm advocating in this post. Remove withdraw and refit from the doctrine entirely. Add Assault Engineers in it's place. Replace Assault Engineers with standard Vehicle Crew in the M3 halftrack. It only makes sense to do it this way so that the M3 ability works more seamlessly, and you get real access to the Assault Engineers that were intended to be in this doctrine from the get go. This of course hinges on the Assault Engineers being tuned to become a truly desirable unit worth the asking price.

Just 2 things -

1. Ass Engies are still not worthwhile right now as other people have currently noted so they require additional tweaking, so putting them in yet another doctrine is downright madness at the moment.

2. I don't know where you based your assumption that these guys belong in vehicle based commanders at all, if you ask me they made a hell of a lot more sense in Ardennes Assault, where the Mechanized company there (Baker) also has Cav Rifles coming in with an M3 Halftrack as their unique infantry unit which anybody who played with them will tell you that they are blatantly superior to the AE, being that they are close quarter combat specialists in the form of Riflemen armed with Thompsons and having different abilities fitted for such cases.