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Yes, but IS-2 and ISU-152 are alternatives to the 85. If it is a stock unit, the appeal for those will be lowered. 120mm is the perfect exampe of a doctrinal unit: Different, not better in every way and better for certain situations like tight maps such as Crossing. Shocks and Guards are not mandatory, but I could say that safely with better peace of mind if Conscripts scaled better with veterancy like the Riflemen of CoH1 did. |
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Would you consider replacing T-34/76 with 85 in the main lineup? Without additional gating, as Panzer IV still maintains cheaper cost, better armor, better support abilities, better veterancy and better surrounding AT units not the least of which being Panzerschreck infantry? |
It is impossible to fix the call in meta without over hauling Soviet army completely. Soviet army is designed to work around commander choice and call ins. I doubt Relic would fix this and it makes more sense to release Coh3 than reworking Sov.
Or T-34/85 can replace 76 in the lineup and Soviets are suddenly a-okay. Refer to the link in my signature: leads to my thread where that is discussed. |
A proper ladder with either league placements or with ranks like vcoh. That and fix to callin meta and im happy.
You mean like moving T-34/85 to the stock unit lineup? You know I've been going around in a lot of threads where people were talking about the call in meta and none were slightly interested in joining the discussion of my idea to do just that. It fixes call in meta, it fixes balance, and it is a fair matchup with Panzer IV while making T3 useful. What's not to like? |
It can crush. Thats how I use it against okwblobs. I am not sure that the t-34/85 are as good as the 76s at crushing? If you compare it to a p4 it also comes out ealier, its cheaper and faster(?). But comparing units vs units isnt the best. In actual gameplay it is good at keeping up the early advantage you hopefully have. You can stall or gain advantage with it before you call-in the big guns.
It's not faster. It doesn't come at a cheaper tech cost, it's more expensive on that front. It costs as much as big guns. 2 of them cost almost as much as a Tiger and aren't at half the relevance.
And crush? Every tank has crush. Panzer IV crushes better because of its smoke. And M10 is the best crusher in the game, is it suddenly not the worst tracked vehicle in the game? Yes it is. It's the worst of the worst and it makes T-34 look good. |
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Are you saying that doesn't already happen, and with the same doctrines nevertheless? Advanced Warfare is built upon the concept of doing just that. What's fine about 76? What can it do? It is a worse unit than Panzer IV in every way. It has worse stats, it's not as cost effective, it's not much cheaper, it has worse veterancy, it has worse everything. How can you even defend this unit's existence? Please, make an attempt. I want to know what I'M not seeing in the hidden gem that is 76, because it has been an utter disappointment to everyone I've ever seen use them.
Not to mention it's a 1942 tank facing 1944 tanks when it should have been replaced by the 85. 85 gets better stats, Panzer IV is cheaper and gets the gimmicks. That's balance. What we have right now with 76 is not balance. It's a fuel trap for the ignorant. 85 is available in select few doctrines and it is cheaper than the utterly useless 76 and also more accessible and allowing of cheese tactics because it's doctrinal. Why do you support of this bad design!? |
he can blow away your t34's and what not with Panthers.
Doesn't take a Panther to mulch any number of T-34s. It's just that between Tiger and fast tech to Panther, people have little reason to actually go T3 as Ostheer. And then they come to forums, whining about underpowered Ostheer T3 when its their Tiger call in that is too low risk and too high reward. |
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Nope, you always go for a second KT if you know what is good for you |
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That's an excellent idea! But how do you apply it to KT? And spajn refer to the link in my sig please as it contains my thread about making stock Soviet army better and more balanced in one move. |
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T-34/76's existence says otherwise. It's unusably bad and T-34/85 would be balanced in its place. I an tired of hearing that Soviets are meant to use doctrinal call ins. If Relic really said that, they shouldn't be simultenously making so many Soviet commanders with no such callins whatsoever. Even if it is their design, it is made obvious by now by many players that it is a bad one. Time to admit mistakes and move on. This simple change would fix everything.
I know I am beating my head against the wall here, but I don't think such a change is impossible if it gets enough support. If you want to help me, join the discussion. I don't truly expect to achieve anything, but I want to think of ways to improve my favourite game and spend time discussing them and trying to convince others until I no longer care enough to ignore that Relic doesn't care and the fact that they haven't done this until now means they are clueless at designing factions that are meant to interact with eachother. |
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