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85 at 400 MP 140 fuel is a good tie-in for Panzer IV. Soviets also get no equalivent to Panther, so asymmetrical balance should be in effect here, giving Soviets something in between.

Panzer IV has mobility advantage over SU-85 and there are times when it will be able to kill it in 1v1, such as when flanking in a wide open map like Vaux Farmlands.

That said, Panzer IV still doesn't lose its relevance as the least bit of support, most of which is not available to Soviets in any way (Panzerschreck, Panzer Tactician, Combat Blitz) makes the difference null. Just like how 85 supported by an AT gun can deal with a Panther.

And I never argued that support units costed nothing, just that Soviets deserve the better raw stats here. The tank already comes in for cheaper and like only 2 minutes later being a doctrinal unit, so putting it to T3 doesn't make it much faster. And it also gives the Soviet player a great incentive to tech up beyond T1/T2 while making call-ins less attractive, so I find it odd how you can claim it does absolutely nothing to combat the call-in meta.

And at a closing note, only a biased player would be okay with Panzer IV having both far superior support and far superior stats to the 76, with a negligible cost reduction in return for the latter. 76 is barely useful and it shows. Maybe it would be decent with T4 support, but nobody has the fuel for that and more importantly, it doesn't make sense to do that when you can call in a doctrinal IS-2 good for everything.

So you consider an unit that has 25 % more hp and penetration with only slightly less armour and dps to be equal tot he p4. dude test it out yourself a battle between a 85 and a p4 is 10/10 in favour for the 85.

Test yourself, T-34/76 vs Panzer IV, the latter wins 10/10.


In a vacuum, Panzer IV is outmatched. In reality, it has better vet and Axis only support items like Panzerschreck or Panzer Tactician or Blitz so it can easily get away from situations where others are not around to make up for its minor disadvantages, so it makes sense for the Soviet tank to have the better stats especially with Panther around. Compare to the Panzer vs 76 matchup where Panzer has both advantages. Axis is or about should be supporting fewer tanks with your great support and getting the best out of them but you don't have to do that against Soviet stock vehicles.

It should of course cost as much as it does in the single Advanced Warfare call in. Consider that. And check my thread for more elaborate arguments on this.

going to type out a second post in case someone responds to the previous while i'm typing.

while the 34/85 is roughly balance to the IV it's more expensive and commensurately more powerful. soviet's get the last tier very early because, while they're expensive, they don't have to build anything in between. OKH is slowed down by teching costs and teching times (they have to research and then build which requires some coordination and attention (not huge, but significant).

the 34/85 is an all-rounder tank that is very good against anything lighter than a V and a pair of them will generally beat a V. having them available at their current cost gives soviets too much power early on.

the 34/76 becomes complete shit that no one would use; in effect you're nerfing current doctrines in exchange for buffing the soviet base lineup. i'm not really favor in getting rid of units.

the only way i could see this working out would be to make the 34/76 HIGHLY infantry focused (like current stats but sherman HE shells instead of the current shell) and making the 34/85 more like the V (AT focused). that would leave both units unique and prevent the 34/85 from being the be all/end all of the soviets.

Maybe you missed it in the OP but the idea was to replace 85 with a 76 command tank that gives offensive bonuses in the doctrine lineup. While 76 would not be a stock unit at all. A similar thing happens with Panzer IV.

76 is already complete shit, people use it because its their only option when they don't use cookie cutter doctrines. Those doctrines are not going to be useless just because they no longer house a staple call-in that should have been a stock unit in the first place.

Ostheer T3 never seen again. You must be either pretty naive or allies only if you think P4 can stand up to it.

I play Ostheer mostly, actually, after playing Soviets a lot for a long time and deciding they are not worth my time. I still play them every now and then.

edited mine after you posted without realizing it.



to further elaborate, the t34/85 is to powerful to be available when t3 timings would allow it; the only way to fix that is to nerf the tank or increase the price (very bad because it makes it cost inefficient).

Personally I disagree, and I wrote multiple very long posts on why, and those are in the T-34/85 thread I made, link to which you'll find in my signature. I hope you understand why I don't want to repeat 10+ paragraphs here, and maybe reading that will change your opinion. If not, no worries, it's okay to disagree. Give it a whirl though.