Who even started this "making the Panther worse" nonsense? It´s fine, not over-performing as in 2013, not utter garbage as in 2014.
A clever Panther player will keep the frontal armor to you and stay at range. God forbid he gets rewarded for that.
People are angry that all they see is Panthers, when the reason this happens is because Ostheer t3 is garbage and OKW doesn't actually have any medium tanks. |
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Makes me laugh tho, "Mmm yes this faction which is currently the worst in the game. Lets take one of the few remaining good cost effective units it has and nerf it, this is a smart plan" |
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Every time I encounter a StuG E it normally never stays alive for more than 5 minutes because it's fragile as shit and dies to AT guns. It has no turret, get one Captain behind it or a Zook squad and it's dead. |
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You have to be very careful when changing the Panther, lest we go back to the days were T4 is never ever built. Honestly if were going to make the Panther worse it's fuel cost needs to be lowered or the other units in it's tier need a buff, badly. |
I don't care what your definition is. I repeat; it's classified as a medium. That's all I give the smallest of flying gardens about.
Meant to say 50+, missed the all important symbol, my apologies.
And the call in meta isn't my concern right now, nor does it actually make the panther more expensive, stop throwing that fllacy around.
The cost to make it available is higher, and also comes with the werfer and brummbar. But the tank itself is less than 200, each and every time, no matter how many you buy.
And this still makes no difference to its battlefield role and current disproportionate protection.
It has everything to do with it's roll, because cost is what justifies effectiveness. It's 175 fuel and for Ostheer you need to spend a buttload of fuel and MP to get to it, so typically your not going to see an Ost panther till you already have MORE than enough tools to deal with it.
If he's getting Panthers he isn't going to have shit for nothing to deal with your infantry so just go hog wild and support your infantry with AT guns which his Panther can't do jack shit about.
For OKW it's a different story because the Panther comes out earlier, but it's still fairly expensive at 232.5 fuel adjusted for reduced income. It means he's not going to be getting anything else for a while. |
Not arguing semantics.
Not only do I still not care, but it still doesn't matter, because the proposal would affect all vehicles regardless of classification, weight and design.
And the issue with the panther is the enormous front armour and speed, which it historically had, because of non-existent side and rear armour.
It's nowhere near as expensive as the late war heavies at well under 200 fuel, the fact it's just as hard (if not harder) to kill than some of them is absurd. Introduce side armour- suddenly its flank-able, snare-able if extended, and the dedicated sniper tank hunter no longer has 180 drgrees of turbo protection from the front. A 90 degree cone of good armor, perfect for a dedicated tank hunter, just like the TD's with 50 range.
The Ostheer Panther is the most expensive Ostheer tank in the game due to Teching, and the OKW Panther is able to be rushed thanks to fast OKW teching.
And the TD's have 60 range, not 50. |
By your definiation IS-2 is also a medium tank, since it weighs 46 tonnes.
No, by my definition the Panther isn't a medium tank. Most mediums weight around 20~ tons.
The Panther is a heavy tank by weight class, but moves fast enough that it isn't considered one. |
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The Panther was in that awkward spot between medium and heavy tank due to it's tonnage.
Panther: 44.8 tons
Tiger: 54 tons
T34: 26 tons.
The Panther weighs twice as much as the premier soviet medium tank. The Panther isn't in anyway similar to a medium tank except in the fact that it's fast and mobile.
It's in a class of it's own, it's (arguably) the only Tank Hunter in the game. And it's also bloody expensive.
The issue with the Panther is OKW players rushing it, not anything to do with the unit itself. |
And it's still perfectly possible to do the exact same job with just the same finesse with a side armour value.
But not over extending it has some chance of being punished without the futility of trying to get all he way behind the fastest medium in the game to have any chance of getting in good hits.
It's not a medium tank. |
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The problem is that the Panther isn't a medium tank. It's also not a traditional MBT like most tanks in the game.
It's a Tank Hunter, it preforms shit versus infantry (and thus it's natural counter is AT guns) but it's good for hunting down and killing lone enemy tanks.
It's also a massive crutch for OKW who lacks anything smaller. |
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