Since if I would like to play through T1 as Soviets to use that flamecar, but I HAVE TO DOWNTECH T2 to get that AT gun or mortar. Same thing for USF - you have to go craptain tier or pick certain doctrine.
More that one thing is a heavy resource commitment which results in less protection for those things. You can't just stay there and shoot because infantry will just roll over you as you have invested 320 MP in AT gun and 240 MP in mortar (or 400 if it is 120mm).
Believe me, I took out MANY Schwers in my 4v4 practice. It almost always hard as hell.
My complain isn't about Schwer itself, but about fact that WFA factions get something free with teching, while vanilla ones not and in the same time HAVE MORE EXPENSIVE TECHING. This just doesn't make any sense!
You have never actually played OKW, ever, not once. As far as I'm concerned you need to play some OKW before you try and talk about ways OKW needs to be radically changed.
and: HOW LONG ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO KEEP FALLING FOR REFORVERS ACT |
Mate, i know who lenny is. And you can get just as many Volks out. Because they are just as cheap.
The difference between us is that you havent played a single ranked 1v1 in your life, the mode where balance matters the most.
If balance is so much better in 1's wouldn't it make cons harder to use in higher ones? And thus it more impressive to succeed with them by your logic?
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Outclass Volks? They are pretty damn equal id say, i still would give the edge to Volks combat wise. They also have Sturm and Kübel support...and conscripts...well just have more conscripts 
You can get a lot more cons out the door early than he can get volks and sturms out. You can easily overwhelm him, and if he just keeps making more volks laugh while he has basically no MP left to do anything with.
Conspam (or just getting 3 to start) is a legit tactic that works very well, I don't think on this site were lenny is a well known figure I need to post more replays to prove it. |
Since when do tiers lock down the map with suppression and medium AT capacity? A minute is still an eternity in this game. There's a lot of territory you can neutralize or capture in a minute, disregarding the simple ability of just bringing units up to the Schwerer.
Yes, and getting a bunch of things to shoot at it is also difficult, like my previous complaint a player will only reliably take it down with a bunch of tanks with the enemy's other forces drawn to another side of the map that are far more expensive than the Schwerer.
The Soviets can't lock down territory without a doctrine either. No one can lock down territory like a Schwerer HQ...while coming with a tier.
Your not going to get relic to redo the entire OKW teching system in order to get rid of the Schwer.
A much more reasonable suggestion is just removing it's ability to pen mediums, that's all. It can't even lock down that many points unless you get lucky or put it out in the open (were it will die faster). |
Why would that be? If the OKW player feared they would be unlikely to successfully defend it, they could just build it in their base instead.
Since when do AT gun's cost fuel? An AT gun can do it's full 160 damage to it with no chance to bounce, you don't think that's already enough?
If you shoot at the Schwer with more than one thing it goes down pretty quick. The Schwer isn't an issue, and the only people who have problems with it have never played OKW before to understand it's importance.
OKW doesn't have any fortification options to lock down territory, you need to get a doctrine and then it's a LOT of munitions, and with how desperate OKW is for fuel them being able to lock down some of the map isn't unbalanced. |
Allright, I've made my tests using cheatmod and found out that vet 0 ZIS-3 need about 70+/-10 seconds to take that thing out.
I thought it would be longer, because in my experience in 4v4 I ususally don't have enough time to take it out that way.
It would be pretty broken if a single AT gun could kill it quickly. |
Amazing suggestion. Schwerer behind shot blocker - end of story.
The problem I have isn't with just this specific case, but you in general seem to have this complex were you shoot down literally every suggestion someone gives to you regarding OKW. If your points were actually true, then you would not have as many wins with allies as you do.
OKW are just as easy to defeat as the rest of the armies, they have weakness's, if you chose to ignore those that's on you. |
No need for argument agasint someone who says get AT gun, schwerer will go down.
He actually suggested something, instead of shooting down every suggestion because in your hypothetical world it's impossible. |
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By saying it's so easy etc you are proving that you are pro axis. Well placed Schwerer is very, very hard to deal with it. End of story.
wow accusing some one of bias with zero argument attached, gotta love it.
How about making even a passing attempt here, instead of jumping on your high horse. |
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