Profile of LemonJuice

Don't assume im cherry picking when i watched the whole game. Im giving an analysis of your criteria of how you used the mg42s in that game, do you recall how many mg42s you made and how many you lost and had to replace? Also, dont forget you played a 2v2 and not a 1v1 in this game. Also u used 3 mg42 bulletins and not the standard mg42. Just want to make sure readers are clear on the criteria u used which makes a difference in your conclusions

Suggestion to play 1v1 with no mg42 bulletins but against a player with your equal skill level, thats the true test here, none of this random allies average/noob player testing

the team that game was a top 100 team iirc, it would be a disservice to call them noobs or average. you are cherry picking because you only mention the 3 losses and not mentioning the many times my mg42s performed to expectation in suppressing multiple squads, and being able to relocate and continue suppressing after they get smoked. also please note that the 12% increased fire rate only makes a difference in one situation where the entire enemy squad is in yellow cover, in which case the mg suppresses at the very end of the first burst instead of the very beginning of the 2nd.

also id like to just post this for those of you guys saying mg42 suppression is inconsistent

Firing at Far range = 1.15 Second (73% of the first burst done)
Firing at Mid range = 1.04 Second (52% of the first burst done)
Firing at Near Range = 0.94 Second (40% of the first burst done)
Time to suppress a squad in yellow cover: (0.5 modifier)
Firing at Far range = 4.65 Seconds (46% of the second burst done)
Firing at Mid range = 3.66 Seconds (5% of the second burst done)
Firing at Near range = 1.89 Seconds (80% of the first burst done)

courtesy of pherrera

The thing is that allies have BY FAR better MGs in the game, BUT they also have the counter to mgs which is SMOKE, whereas axis don't have smoke ability for the infantry.

That's what makes the encounter of Ost and USF even harder since despite USF's superior inf vs Ost, Ost's MG42 becomes useless with the smoke ability of the riflemen.

P.S. that's not a fair game if you just have to sit down and pray/micro two MGs to get away with the rifle's smokes. You def lose to a player with the same skill level even if you micro the best

how is it not fair? you basically force a retreat for free, make the enemy player use munitions, and gain territory every time you properly micro your machineguns and suppress enemy squads. if you dont like to micro machineguns due to smoke just build grenadiers and mortars.

Whats hilarios is i didnt make that claim, i said put a smoke grenade in the mix... easy for rifleman/shock troop to win

oops it was dpfarce who made that claim.

I think a useful tweak is the unit gives an audible notification of a smoke grenade being thrown, ie "Smoke! Ve can't see for schit!". We already have flank/ grenade notifications.
Of course I can't imagine Relic doing to all that trouble to add one additional voiceline, unless of course there's some residual file for just that hidden somewhere.

the mg42 crew will say 'grenade' like a frag is being thrown at them if a smoke grenade lands near them, atleast for american smoke grenades.

So retreat and lose map control, or move to another position, which takes a second to pack up and move, then reposition and second to setup, but ofcourse the mg42 squad is being charged and then wiped out during repositioning or during setup... still a MG42 squad wipe or lose map control

in an actual game youll have AT LEAST one unit supporting the mg42. that one unit will constantly be shooting at the advancing squad, while taking minimal damage since the enemy squad is moving.

in some cases, an enemy squad will be suppressed before the smoke grenade lands, and that gives you plenty of time to step back, and reposition your mg42. in the case you have multiple mg42s, you can reface one mg42 to cover for the other as your original mg42 repositions.

dont forget that smoke costs munitions and is basically countered by micro or two mg42s.

I am honestly baffled that there are people who can defend the current mechanic.

1. MG42 in heavy cover
2. RiflemAn (SINGULAR) running across neutral cover to mg42
3. Rifleman throws a grenade at mg42
4. Mg42 loses the gunner
5. Mg42 takes 50 years to change the gunner
6. Rifleman snipes the Gunner over and over again and wipes the squad.


NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 1 MG VS 9382 RIFLEMEN. We don't like how ONE RIFLEMAN SQUAD can run face-first into an mg42 and kill it with a grenade.

show me a replay or recreate a scenario where a single rifleman can run across neutral cover at an mg42 in green, throw a grenade, and wipe the whole squad using small arms.

gameplay should come first, historical accuracy second. if you look at ost t3, youll see panzer 4 - generalist medium tank, ostwind - anti-infantry anti-air medium tank, stug - not so good at either anti infantry or anti-tank.

it makes sense to give ost t3 a dedicated tank destroyer.