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Don't mind me just moving the goalpost

120mm is still a thing. As rare as it is, it still can smoke for you.

I promise to make a post about it if I start big braining with that strat

Now let's get back on topic please

You are aware penals have satchels from minute 0 right? Or that using smoke pyro locks you out of arty for a couple of minutes.

As for the mortar pit... I mean if he managed to build one in range and support it in combined arms with smoke he probably deserves the truck wipe.

The game isn't Flak tower balloon defence Berlin edition

Penal satchels would most likely require a T2 sidetech for smoke + soviet mortar smoke isn't creeping so you can't safely advance under it unlike the brit one.

Brit section smoke is useless so the rational scenario is to account for the opportunity cost of the mortar pit strat to kill an HQ.

Atm any sane brit player has at least 2 tommies, will at some point tech up usually to hammer or anvil level and has pyrotechnics so the main opportunity cost to gib OKW HQs will be the mortar pit. Even if it is killed you basically trade 350 manpower for 270 manpower, tech deny and a lotta (135?) fuel. That is a good trade for brit.

As I previously mentioned the creeping smoke barrage has huge coverage in smaller game mode maps so a conservative mortar pit position can still often deny a conservative HQ placement. (see my big brain counter strats in the original post)

First, as a disclaimer I’m writing this as a big brain brit player who likes a good meme .

Since the Brits are now in a good spot right now people have used them a lot more in teamgames. Hammer tech is also a lot more common after the heavy tank tech requirements change and Comet actually being a decent unit.

Now here is the part that isn’t too mainstream yet and it has been overlooked in the past. Hammer sidetech unlocks the 50 muni Gammon bombs. Those do immense damage to OKW trucks. 2 Gammons and an arty flare (no shared cooldown) can guarantee an HQ kill for less than 150 muni and requires only 2 section. (3 if you don’t wanna tech pyrotechnics and use 3 gammons instead)

Big brain counter would of course be “JuSt DoN’t AlLoW tOmMiEs WaLk To YoUr TrUcK”
-However, the 350 manpower brit mortar pit creeping smoke barrage has very long range and the smoke barrage has 0 cooldown after finishing so it can be chained indefinitely. On most 2v2 maps that means you can chain smoke barrages (for free) and walk a few tommies up to OKW HQs taking 0 damage and there is practically nothing your opponent can do except watch the HQ go Kaboomie.

The only extremely unreliable counter is vehicle pushing but that is very hard if not impossible to pull of if several tommies are going for the HQ gib and only a single model needs to be in range.

In this situation the real big brain counter would then be “JuSt PuT tHe TrUcKs In BaSe”, right?

-unless it’s a huge 4v4 map you can just as well spam the smoke to opponents’ base entrance and go gib the trucks with 3 gammons just as fine. They can be clicked inside base sector just as well.

Things get even more big brain in brit doctrinal solutions. AVRE doc napalm barrage and a single gammon guarantee an HQ kill for 160 munitions. If you’re a cheapskate you can just use the napalm barrage and an AVRE shot for the cheapest OKW HQ oneclick in the game (110 muni)

Commando smoke raid then again makes smoke readily available anywhere on the map so sections can safely advance to kill trucks. Since it can be cast just outside the base sector the base offers little protection.

Do these big brain mechanics need changes (like gammon damage profile against trucks changed) or is it a quality meme in a good spot right now?

As a reminder this is the tooltip for Gammons regarding their use (from brit unit guide)
“This ability allows your Infantry Sections to throw Gammon Bombs. These bombs have a large AOE, but also a large timer (about 4 seconds). Cause vehicles hit by the bomb's AOE to be stunned for a short duration.”

-Clearly demolishing OKW trucks was their intended purpose instead of harassing armor (in which task they are lackluster to put it kindly)

+1, but there also isn't any justification why T34 should be immobilized and lose its gun when other tank doesn't lose its own, because using ram is a 100% chance of losing tank under any circumstances other then "it rammed the only AT unit of opposing faction".

My bet is that if Ram-in-a-good-spot-right-now ever gets touched it either gets nerfed to oblivion or it gets a very weird buff as a compensation to become a meme like the B4 or Sturmtiger. (How about a timed vet 1 ability that passively makes it shoot nades )

As for the 100% chance to lose a t34 at least you know for certain whats gonna happen to your tank. Opponent on the other hand might get away just fine if the tank only gets stunned or it gets handed to allied AT on a silver platter with 3% immobilized crit. (Or one could go all in on RNG and give the T34 a 3% abandon chance on ram if the crew chickens out )