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Replace usf with ost i title.USF vs OKW earlygame is laughable compared to ost issues vs OP usf. |
If anything, it's easier than before. There shouldn't be so much trouble playing it now with the MG42 buff and sniper buff. 
No masochism has its limits,earlier i still played team games where the OKW player could carry ost.Now thats out of the picture as well. |
Can you just quit the game already? We get it you suck but its pretty boring to see you posting the same thing over and over.
I post the same thing becoz its the truth,even if allied faboys don't want to hear it.And i quit already.I just was waiting for patch to see if things changed. |
I'm going to make it my mission to play OST combined arms effectively, the buffs they got for early game are nothing to laugh at. They should help if you don't just spam grens.
Good luck at it.Sincerely. |
... are you complaining that multiple Jacksons will defeat a single Panther? Two Jacksons is 290 fuel, versus 175 for Panther. Multiple Jacksons definitely should win an engagement with a Panther. As should 1 Jackon and 1 Sherman.
If you want to factor the rest of the armies in, the Axis are not exactly starving for AT. If you're OH you could have various T2 units assisting you. Mines are tricky - they're perfect if you have support ready to pounce but obviously if you don't the Jackson will crit repair in short order. If you're OKW, the newly buffed Raketen can threaten them and volks shreks will still scare them off. AT strafe, JPZIV, Tiger etc. The Jackson didn't recieve a huge buff, it was made somewhat more effective against heavies but less effective overall (and T3 will be more viable against it as OH - 4 shots required to kill PZIV, with slow-as-shit ROF).
2 jacksons 290 fuel?
Panther teching plus unit cost is insane just to get one.
Thing is ost alreday has weakest earlygame,weakest lategame infantry,weakest indirect fire and now weakest lategame armor.With these costs for teching ost will never be a viable faction. |
Panther front armor is 320, new Jackson Pen at max range is 200. 62.5% chance to penetrate, or 75% at close range. With slow rate of fire on the main gun. It takes 4 penetrating hits for the Jackson to kill the Panther. It takes 3 penetrating hits for the Panther to kill the Jackson, and every shot is a guaranteed peneration. Panther is clearly going to win that fight unless you get very unlucky with death crits or the shots missing.
You know very well it won't ever be 1 vs 1 due to teching and unit cost disparity.You deliberately ignored the jacksonS part in my post. |
By that time you should have a pack that will 2 shot it. I have a feeling that OST combined arms is going to have much better synergy what with pioneers field of vision, hmg increased accuracy, sniper survival buff and slightly better 222. I think they will become my favourite faction.
I'm going to try 3x grenadiers, mg42, sniper, mortar, tier up, 222 followed by pak for early game as ost vs Usf. Sniper should really bleed rifles now and give grenadiers the edge. Mg42 to screen grenadiers and sniper with pioneers up front spotting for enemies and mines, mortar behind mg42 and pak and 222 ready to engage m20 or AA truck.
We have pak now,and still struggle heavily vs usf light vehicles.Stop theorycrafting and go out and play then.This faction is dead in terms of competitiveness anyway.It s a meaningless patch for ostheer. |
They will carry each other to the grave... (just kidding).
I think that Ostheer will become more potent than OKW due to the changes to the MG42 and Sniper-Health combined with the KT and Ober nerf (+Jackson buff). OKW games will shift to Volks + Panzerfuss meta. Panzerfuss do the same DPS than non-upgraded Rifles. The only problem are MG-Rifles, before the Patch Obersoldaten could reliably face them... now they don't. OKW is ammo starved cause of the Shreckupgrades, which is why I guess it would be wiser to build a Luchs to deal with Infantry rather than shifting fuel to ammo conversion in order to upgrade Obers with MG's.
With the upcoming patch I would rate the factions as follows (higher is better):
OKW = 7
OST = 8
Soviet = 10
USF = 9
...just imagine USF gets a Pershing commander. Pershing + Jackson with 240 AP-Pen at 60 Range xD
Give them pershing,won't make much difference.Already autowins ost.Now will do even more.What more will pershing do? |
If you read my previous posts on this thread I mentioned several times that I'm concerned about Jackson bullying the tiger.
OKWs OPness tainted OST and has led to their unneeded suffering. You should be mad at them not allies.
On the bright side 222 and sniper may help you control rifles much better now. Honestly try out grens backed by sniper and 222 and you should be able to bleed USF early in 1v1 as long as your micro holds up. Mg is more accurate too now so there were some early game buffs.
The AA halftrack will dance all over the corpse and wreckage of sniper and 222.With current tech costs wehrmacht is not viable as a faction. |
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Allies patch, you know what to do.
I do,play diablo 3 patch 2.2.Now thats a REAL patch. |
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