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But you are not really better with any other faction, so why do you feel Ostheer being underpowered compared to the other?
I don't really want to judge you but I'm around same rank as you with Ostheer 1vs1 while my gameplay is terrible with this faction.

I know I'm statswise not better, but I lose as OKW because of other reasons. As OKW I lose because I made obvious mistakes, lose squads or bad micro.

As Ostheer I'm really microing like a SC II player but you get so little reward and so much punishment for small mistakes.

My biggest issue of the faction is how heavily it relies on the sniper in the early-mid game and even the late game against USF and Brits.

They're mediocre without the sniper unless you're on a very favorable map and then there's 'Not Fun to Fight' when they do field the sniper but it's a necessary evil to effectively bleed the enemy. It's kind of their only way to push against entrenched infantry early on without mortars as Grenadiers are too fragile to charge/assault ground while the rest of the army is made up of support weapons.

Without a sniper, you really need your opponent to make mistakes rather then frustrating them with snipers to the point where they do make mistakes trying to kill the sniper.

This is also what I experienced. I tend to start with MG -> Sniper -> Grens. The sniper reduces OH capping power drastically while you need to cap with your MG (which has a bugged cap order) and the Pio which loses all fights but against Engineers.

The micro amount of the Ostheer early game is insane. If you lose your sniper before minute 5, you can simply leave because you cannot compensate that loss without hoping that your enemy does a stupid mistake.

op card says he is not much of a pro. L2P until at least top 200 with any fac.
Shadowwada is constantly raging about how op this fac is this patch.

So me and many others in this thread who are not pros because we play this game for fun and maybe not for the cheese simply need to l2p?

So every CoH2 player except the mentioned 200 people should have a lot less fun playing Ostheer than other factions? Yes, players have mentioned the counters but still a major part of the players think that Ostheer has little to no room for mistakes whereas other factions don't come even close to the playing pressure while performing better.

Even if "l2p" is the case, it's simply frustrating the "not-so-skilled" players like me and about 80% of the rest.

Hello guys, finally not a salt thread because I have won a few games
But honestly, I used to like playing Ostheer the most since the release of CoH2. Sure, OKW is cool but Ostheer has always been the most well rounded faction in my opinion.

But currently Ostheer is behind the other factions from my point of view. The faction was always designed to be more an end game faction and to be the most defensive one.

With its strong MG42 and PaKs this has always been the case, but since the last few patches and especially with the introduction of the Brits things have changed.

The current meta is all about rushing a fast light tank. While the OKW can get PaKs and Panzershrecks, maybe also a Puma, to defend the AEC / T70 / Stuart at about min 6, Ostheer does not have a single reliable counter other than the 222 which isn't even meant to be a light vehicle counter since you need to build at least two to have a chance to counter the allied light tanks.

I don't want to discuss why the AEC is a light tank while the 222 (both armoured cars) is made out of wood. Ostheer players receive flames for double 222s, which I can understand because it surely is frustrating to play against because the AI is also not that bad.

But you know why we play double 222? Because there is NOTHING we can do besides this strat.
Of course you can say, why not get a PaK instead? Because a PaK needs 2 to 3 shots to kill a light tank and this AT gun misses A LOT. In addition the T70 can auto repair and the AEC can smoke away. You have to be a lucky guy for it to hit a teller mine because otherwise the tank will simply circle the PaK, kill it and steal it, which means you lose 320 MP which is your death as Ostheer.

The most intense time while playing Ostheer is not the late game but the time when the first light tank arrives. Speaking for me, I lose a lot of MP when the first light tank arrives because I can't field my 222s earlier. You need all your MP for Grens, MGs and a Mortar to hold your fuel point and MAYBE the munitions point in the early game. Holding more than 40% of the map against an Allied player with the same skill is nearly impossible. And when the light tank arrives, you get pushed back to the base. Retreat your MGs because otherwise they die like flies (have you seen how T70s snipe these days?!).

Panzerfausts are no viable solutions as you get kited and lose a lot of models and eventually get a squadwipe on retreat. You can get Panzergrens but you won't have enough money for Panzershrecks. And while your army is in your base and you cannot do anything but wait until the AT armada (222s) have arrived, your enemy steals the rest of your map.

Especially playing against the Brits is a torture in 1v1 because their MGs in houses are a real frustration. Yes you can get a mortar, but how do you cap the map? After 1 MG and 2 Grens + Mortar you HAVE to tech to T2 because the AEC is on its way. (A little side note: On some maps, e.g. Lost Glider north, it is gg when the British MG reaches the house on the cutoff point before you do).

I just want to hear if you also share the same experiences? The fuel cost increase for T2 was very hard for the Ostheer faction. Before you could field a PaK about a minute before light tanks arrived, which was okay in my opinion. But now you have to wait for 60 Fuel before you can field one. The lack of Ostheer map pressure results in the enemy having more ressources than you do (I'm not talking about double sniper tactics which are a bit too cheesy in my opinion).

My suggestion would be: Decrease the price for the T2 research again (to about 25 or 30) and add a "research 222" ability for 15 or 20 fuel similar to the AEC one of the brits. Ostheer players could then get a PaK for defense purposes but still the 222 would arrive the way it does now or a bit later.

Why arguing over the Sturmoffizier (which is in a good state imo) when artillery officer cries in the corner?

It's clearly underperforming for its cost.

The main problems of the flame hetzer are the turretless design, the high xp requirements and its low damage.

IMO it should deal damage like a KV8 at least it has no turret.