Wehrmacht September patch discussion
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10 Sep 2019, 08:56 AM
#181
Posts: 498
Pios are totally fine combat wise, they usually win against CEs (tho I haven't checked with the new CE buff) and they can beat most core infantry units if they catch them at close range. Later on they continue supporting your forces with their sight range.
10 Sep 2019, 09:16 AM
#182
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Surprisingly,If the stat page i use is up to date, pioneer have almost identical DPS with sapper upto range 10 and from range 10 onward, pio have slightly better dps, lol.
10 Sep 2019, 10:20 AM
#183
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It they should nerf the reinforce cost of Pios from 25 to 20. Would be balanced.
It is the same as grens currently the reinforce cost being 25.
It is the same as grens currently the reinforce cost being 25.
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10 Sep 2019, 10:37 AM
#184
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But isn’t gren 30?
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10 Sep 2019, 10:50 AM
#185
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It they should nerf the reinforce cost of Pios from 25 to 20. Would be balanced.
It is the same as grens currently the reinforce cost being 25.
Grens are 30. Always were and will be.
You aren't even aware of most basic stats of faction you're fanboying for, when was last time you've played the game? Was it within last 3 years?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Sep 2019, 11:12 AM
#186
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Grens are 30. Always were and will be.
You aren't even aware of most basic stats of faction you're fanboying for, when was last time you've played the game? Was it within last 3 years?
could ask u the same thing
10 Sep 2019, 11:12 AM
#187
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Grens are 30. Always were and will be.
You aren't even aware of most basic stats of faction you're fanboying for, when was last time you've played the game? Was it within last 3 years?
Agree. People who rarely play shouldnt post alot about balance
10 Sep 2019, 11:22 AM
#188
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Agree. People who rarely play shouldnt post alot about balance
Hence me not posting about balance, but contesting retardedly stupid claims
How many balance threads have you seen me start?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Sep 2019, 11:36 AM
#189
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Yes, it got nice buffs. Like we say in german:"Es wäre das Sahnehäupchen."
I like your ideas
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10 Sep 2019, 12:36 PM
#190
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I personally wouldn't change their weapons but add the 5th man. They could be more useful and less likely to get wiped. Also they would be able to capture decrewed weapons more easily, which is often a problem for ost.
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10 Sep 2019, 13:13 PM
#191
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I personally wouldn't change their weapons but add the 5th man. They could be more useful and less likely to get wiped. Also they would be able to capture decrewed weapons more easily, which is often a problem for ost.
It is a horrible idea to give a flamethrower squad too much survivability.
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10 Sep 2019, 13:49 PM
#192
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I personally wouldn't change their weapons but add the 5th man. They could be more useful and less likely to get wiped. Also they would be able to capture decrewed weapons more easily, which is often a problem for ost.
They have doctrines for that. Sov and usf need doctrines to get more then paper weight mediums. Sov are the most doctrine depended to get the good stuff.
Pio,s are fine. Their extra sight makes them worth their price. They can see but not be seen. They also are quite decent up close.
10 Sep 2019, 13:54 PM
#193
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Pio are fine, they got the increase in repair speed they needed this patch
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10 Sep 2019, 14:32 PM
#194
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Pios scale the worst and are typically relegated to vet 0 repair factories lategame unless you bought an early flamer or micro your first squad like a god.
They could use something to encourage combat usage past 10 minutes they have a chance in hell of getting vet 2. Most other engineers are getting combat adjustments
They could use something to encourage combat usage past 10 minutes they have a chance in hell of getting vet 2. Most other engineers are getting combat adjustments
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10 Sep 2019, 16:08 PM
#195
Posts: 359
pios are fine and honestly the unit I would use as a baseline to balance all other engineers around. I dont know why people say DPS is a problem, theyll actually shred vet0 units if you can get on top of them. sight is welcome all game long and they have a serviceable flamer upgrade too. I wish RETs were more like pios 3:
Panzer tactician is no different than a skill shot. Hardly a "Free" get out of jail card.
10 Sep 2019, 16:39 PM
#196
Posts: 1794
Can we look at giving weapon teams a faster reposition time on vet?
Kinda suck Allies mg gets tiny buff every patch, but wehr weapon teams are so easy to die once flank. Yet Wehr infantry are bad at clearing allie weapon teams.
Kinda suck Allies mg gets tiny buff every patch, but wehr weapon teams are so easy to die once flank. Yet Wehr infantry are bad at clearing allie weapon teams.
10 Sep 2019, 16:47 PM
#197
Posts: 2358
pios are fine and honestly the unit I would use as a baseline to balance all other engineers around. I dont know why people say DPS is a problem, theyll actually shred vet0 units if you can get on top of them. sight is welcome all game long and they have a serviceable flamer upgrade too. I wish RETs were more like pios 3:
I think CE are better 'baseline' (if you wanted to say benchmark) since everyone knows that both pios are used aggressively.
If you can get on top of them can be considered a missplay of the defending side, therefore by no means a good argument to prove a units strenght. Shock troops use the same logic and no one is out there screaming to buff grens to shocks level.
If you seek to buff RET using pios as an argument, i have bad news for you (looking at you katitof)
10 Sep 2019, 16:57 PM
#198
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Can we look at giving weapon teams a faster reposition time on vet?
Kinda suck Allies mg gets tiny buff every patch, but wehr weapon teams are so easy to die once flank. Yet Wehr infantry are bad at clearing allie weapon teams.
Mg42 already have nearly 180° acc, instant suppress and get supported by pio with increase sight range. Yet now you want to add faster reposition in the combo ? Are you heading to an unflankable Mg
10 Sep 2019, 17:03 PM
#199
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Kinda suck Allies mg gets tiny buff every patch, but wehr weapon teams are so easy to die once flank.
Its pretty simple why. Maxim sucks, mg42 doesnt
10 Sep 2019, 17:22 PM
#200
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Mg42 already have nearly 180° acc, instant suppress and get supported by pio with increase sight range. Yet now you want to add faster reposition in the combo ? Are you heading to an unflankable Mg
instant suppression? no.
faster reposition on vet? yes.
I believe allies infantry on vet also gain less suppression.
Allies already have good arty to clear weapon teams.
Why allies MG keeps get tiny buff. But wehr no? Dont forget grens are bad at flanking and clearing weapon teams, at least compared to what stock allies have.
Also not just MG, but mortar and pak too. A little faster on vet, either buff teardown or setup. Wehr imo has poor veterancy gains or at least not complimenting their flavor.
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