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... what more did you expect from a 100 munitions ability? Throw 3 grenades and let us know how much damage that did for roughly the same cost.
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IL-2 Rocket strafe have nevet been good enough.
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Major arty does more
Two satchels does more
A demo charge does more
Why the hell would you use grenades as a yardstick
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Because all those things you mention are specifically designed to deal damage to buildings
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Miragefla seems to think this commander is already too good, thats the only realistic reason for not replacing this ability by something actually useful. The issue here isnt rocket strafe, it's balance team with their unconventional ideas about commander balance aka sprinting fusiliers with schrecks and 6 man assgrens
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Ah, did you watch any test matches?
T-34 ram+IL-Strafe is super strong and took out mulitple tigers in a high level game!
And about 6 men Assgrens: upgrade cost 60 mun, comes after teching for battlephase 2 and the unit is still worse than soviet Shocks! I mean what do you want=? Assgrens sucked for years and now after some minor buffs they are finally useful and you still complain.
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Shocks dont sprint, Shocks dont have grenade assault, Shocks dont come out at CP0
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- Assgrens need sprint, thats the only way they can win engagements (if not hidden behinmd sightblockers)
- Shocks have smoke grenade and their standard grenade is much better to wipe weapon teams
But i dont want to continue this comparison.
What i really would like to know is what do you want to change in Soviet Airbore. I concentrated on my wehr commander and did not check the soviet thread a lot. Maybe you could summarize 4-5 feedback ideas here.
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Ah, did you watch any test matches?
T-34 ram+IL-Strafe is super strong and took out mulitple tigers in a high level game!
And about 6 men Assgrens: upgrade cost 60 mun, comes after teching for battlephase 2 and the unit is still worse than soviet Shocks! I mean what do you want=? Assgrens sucked for years and now after some minor buffs they are finally useful and you still complain.
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Great idea: spend 300 man power, 90 fuel + 100 ammunition to try to destroy the tank.
I would prefer to spend 180 ammunition on the PTAB bombs that will cause damage to the tank, stun it and I can spin and destroy the tank with the same T-34
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Dude, Luvnest DID destroy 1 Tiger and 1 Tiger Ace with that combo! 300 man power, 90 fuel + 100 ammunition is definitely worth the cost if you destroy a 800 MP /250 fuel tank.
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Dude, Luvnest DID destroy 1 Tiger and 1 Tiger Ace with that combo! 300 man power, 90 fuel + 100 ammunition is definitely worth the cost if you destroy a 800 MP /250 fuel tank.
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As for Soviet commander - it literally Shock Army 2.0
PPSh cons = SVT cons
120mm = DShK
Shocks = Guards
ML-20 < FRP
Loiter >>> Rocket strafe
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Bit of a stretch there...
Most commanders have call in units and off maps. You can't just equate one to another like that.
And it's not even an honest comparison... Like... SVTs can be put on more than just cons, the guards are FAR different than any other infantry with an off map as a vet ability and flexibility of upgrade paths and the frp definitely has appeal over the ml20. How many times have you managed to retreat to an ml20? Or have an ml20 heal your infantry? Or reinforced from an ml-20?
This is a horrible comparison not even bothering to think that "maybe people aside from myself may find these unique traits useful" christ.
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I literally pointed out that FRP is better than howitzer in my post, but that it's not enough to deem commander too powerful and give it joke of an offmap. Other stuff is perfrectly comparable - a weapon upgrade for conscripts, elite anti-infantry unit and a premium support weapon. Shock Army is not meta in any game mode because it is too infantry/support weapon focused, even though it has il-2 loiter for endgame which is obviously far better than what Sovbourne has now.
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