Thoughts on Panzergrenadiers

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2019, 05:56 AMullumulu

but sadly works only vs noobs....
pgrens with schreck will need minimum rang 20 to be effective and hit actuall the target. more range will miss the target to often.

this means you drive around your tanks with no view and no micro when you lose it to grens with schrecks
and when you clumb them togehter...allies have a ton of abiltys and units which work perfectly vs blobbs...for example a kat or a ISU...you will bleed so much..

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2019, 10:58 AMElSlayer

It is funny to read this as I remember you complaining about how AT satchel is OP.

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2019, 10:58 AMElSlayer

It is funny to read this as I remember you complaining about how AT satchel is OP.

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2019, 11:38 AMullumulu

there are differenzes:

- Penals are mostly your "mainline" as sov
- penals doesnt need to clumb as blobb to be effective..one of them is enough
- penals are MUCH more versatile and durable than pgrens
- satchels works even when there is shotblocke betweenn them and the targets...pgrens need to run around it and must stay for 1,5sek to shoot
- pgrens have no slow + handheld like penals
- pgrens are more expansiv


need more...?

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2019, 11:38 AMullumulu

there are differenzes:

- Penals are mostly your "mainline" as sov
- penals doesnt need to clumb as blobb to be effective..one of them is enough
- penals are MUCH more versatile and durable than pgrens
- satchels works even when there is shotblocke betweenn them and the targets...pgrens need to run around it and must stay for 1,5sek to shoot
- pgrens have no slow + handheld like penals
- pgrens are more expansiv


need more...?

Jump back to quoted post24 Apr 2019, 16:06 PMmurky depths

Man, team games really are a different beast.

In nearly every 4v4 game (not an exaggeration, at least 80%) if there is a Wehrmacht player, pgrens will see use, and about half of those games 2 will be used.

I get that things are different in 1v1 but pgrens are very common in team games.

edit: Ok so this is just anecdotal but I just went to twitch and I see Price doing a triple-shrek squad that can one-volley t-34s. It's just hilarious.

Though in team games, this isn't actually uncommon so eh.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 07:50 AMBananenheld

Thats 3*340manpower and close to 300 Munition on a 4-model squad. But yeah, should be nerfed. Maybe half the damage of shrek so you need 6 squads of pzgrens to abuse this?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 15:22 PMFarlion

Imagine thinking the build in that screenshot works against anyone even remotely competent.

In terms of PzGrens, I think they're mostly fine now, with perhaps a slight MP cost reduction the only thing missing.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 16:17 PMmurky depths

No, it shouldn't be 'nerfed', it just shouldn't be buffed or made easier to spam in the larger game modes because it's frustrating to deal with, but more important, it is not fun.

Since many people seem to be running off the incorrect assumption that I said that this is OP, that is not the case. My point was that this is commmon in 4v4, where another 3 players (who aren't spamming that) have plenty of infantry and units to fill the gaps.

I'm saying that if you _change_ pgrens, keep in mind what repercussions the changes can have in all game modes.



You either are failing to understand my words, or intentionally choosing to misinterpret them.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 21:04 PMFarlion

No, you missed my point which was that spamming PzGrens is not not going to work outside of 4v4 (where anything works really, largely due to the absurd low skill ceiling in 4v4).

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 07:50 AMBananenheld

Thats 3*340manpower and close to 300 Munition on a 4-model squad. But yeah, should be nerfed. Maybe half the damage of shrek so you need 6 squads of pzgrens to abuse this?

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2019, 11:54 AMMrBananaGrabber.

As a couple of other people have previously said, now that pgrens come out earlier, and from the HQ, it's probably worth removing them from 'Mechanized Assault Doctrine'.

Having the 250 by itself for the lower cost and zero(?) CPs would make the early game for that commander more interesting and varied, imo.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2019, 13:23 PMLago

It'd also create a very early Assault Grenadier clown car.

While I like the idea of replacing the fairly useless Assault Groups with the Infantry Doctrine buildable 250s, combining a very fast 250 with Assault Grenadiers risks creating another Cav Rifle WC51.

That absolutely should not be combined with a call-in heavy.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2019, 11:54 AMMrBananaGrabber.

As a couple of other people have previously said, now that pgrens come out earlier, and from the HQ, it's probably worth removing them from 'Mechanized Assault Doctrine'.

Having the 250 by itself for the lower cost and zero(?) CPs would make the early game for that commander more interesting and varied, imo.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2019, 13:05 PMthekingsown10

The changes to Panzergrenadiers are just lackluster and don't go far enough. I would also give Panzergrenadiers a stock smoke grenade and satchels to increase their versatility .