So I was wondering if it was possible for this game to actually host an all factions games in pvp pool, outside of custom games, and why is it not implemented?
Is it because of balance maybe? I thought balance might have been why, but since the game is hardly balanced as it is, factions being asymmetrical in asymmetrical maps does it really matter?
And as for ww2 purists, since the game is designed for esport and arcade play, and produces only a certain degree of realistic display, is it really important that games in 1v1 (or 2v2) be only axis vs allies?
I know this could be regarded as a stupid idea, and I'm sure many don't feel like it's worth digging, I'm not saying myself that it's a good or bad idea, just wondering if others already thought about this and if there is a reason that the pvp isn't this way?
It could build up much more competitive play, for players to focus mainly in one set of strategies towards one faction, and think specifically in terms of match-ups instead of unit counters.
Why are 1v1 games only axis vs allies?
22 Dec 2018, 10:53 AM
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T34 85 needs to have slightly less AI. It's shells are basically on par with Sherman HE yet it does everything.
22 Dec 2018, 12:10 PM
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Ever heard of immersion?
CoH is WW2 based series.
It might be new to you, but in WW2 americans were not fighting agaisnt british or soviets and wehrmacht wasn't fighting itself.
Custom games, anything goes and stays there.
CoH is WW2 based series.
It might be new to you, but in WW2 americans were not fighting agaisnt british or soviets and wehrmacht wasn't fighting itself.
Custom games, anything goes and stays there.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 Dec 2018, 12:12 PM
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Ever heard of immersion?
CoH is WW2 based series.
It might be new to you, but in WW2 americans were not fighting agaisnt british or soviets and wehrmacht wasn't fighting itself.
Custom games, anything goes and stays there.
There was a wehrmacht Battalion fighting alongside the americans in Austria before the war ended Kappa
Me: I am scared, that i will need to shake ma head the same as when i read ur posts, so i rather not
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
22 Dec 2018, 12:23 PM
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There was a wehrmacht Battalion fighting alongside the americans in Austria before the war ended Kappa
There were also russians shooting at russians.
Maybe a funfact worthy, but hardly history changing count.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
22 Dec 2018, 12:35 PM
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There were also russians shooting at russians.
Maybe a funfact worthy, but hardly history changing count.
Was against SS Forces tho
Me: I am scared, that i will need to shake ma head the same as when i read ur posts, so i rather not
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
22 Dec 2018, 12:37 PM
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It's possible in customs, but if they implemented it in Automatch they'd be balancing fifteen matchups instead of six.
23 Dec 2018, 05:06 AM
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It's possible in customs, but if they implemented it in Automatch they'd be balancing fifteen matchups instead of six.
That's pretty much why. Allies vs allies or axis vs axis is so wonky, if you've ever tried it.
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23 Dec 2018, 08:02 AM
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That's pretty much why. Allies vs allies or axis vs axis is so wonky, if you've ever tried it.
"wonky" more like a soviet stomping grounds. People think volks are oppressive against rifles, wait till you see an M3 clown car filled with penals where you don't get a snare till you get abused to vet 1 LUL
23 Dec 2018, 22:10 PM
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"wonky" more like a soviet stomping grounds. People think volks are oppressive against rifles, wait till you see an M3 clown car filled with penals where you don't get a snare till you get abused to vet 1 LUL
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24 Dec 2018, 00:16 AM
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It's possible in customs, but if they implemented it in Automatch they'd be balancing fifteen matchups instead of six.
Fifteen? I'm doing the math but I don't think it's that many (in 1v1s)
1) Ost vs OKW
2) Ost vs USF
3) Ost vs UKF
4) Ost vs SOV
5) OKW vs USF
6) OKW vs UKF
7) OKW vs SOV
8) USF vs UKF
9) USF vs SOV
10) UKF vs SOV
24 Dec 2018, 00:29 AM
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Fifteen? I'm doing the math but I don't think it's that many (in 1v1s)
1) Ost vs OKW
2) Ost vs USF
3) Ost vs UKF
4) Ost vs SOV
5) OKW vs USF
6) OKW vs UKF
7) OKW vs SOV
8) USF vs UKF
9) USF vs SOV
10) UKF vs SOV
You've missed OST vs OST, OKW vs OKW, USF vs USF, UKF vs UKF and SOV vs SOV.
24 Dec 2018, 08:11 AM
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You've missed OST vs OST, OKW vs OKW, USF vs USF, UKF vs UKF and SOV vs SOV.
Ah, the true mirror match. That would certainly be a shit show and quite a blow to immersion.
24 Dec 2018, 08:20 AM
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You've missed OST vs OST, OKW vs OKW, USF vs USF, UKF vs UKF and SOV vs SOV.
I think those matches don't need to be balanced cuz there will be literally no difference between factions.
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24 Dec 2018, 15:21 PM
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I think those matches don't need to be balanced cuz there will be literally no difference between factions.
Although it would be the most 1 dimensional ones. Sniper vs sniper in the OH match up for example.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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24 Dec 2018, 15:47 PM
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As far as i can remember there was a vote on the public beta for coh2 to have mirrors as a default automatch option. Ppl voted against it, seems that ww2 is still too sensitive to lore and immersion. 
I personnaly would like to see any matchups, its a game, don't care about hustorival accuracy at all.But too bad there is no matchmaker for customs...
Also it amplifies the balance hell. ^^
I personnaly would like to see any matchups, its a game, don't care about hustorival accuracy at all.But too bad there is no matchmaker for customs...
Also it amplifies the balance hell. ^^
24 Dec 2018, 15:54 PM
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There was a wehrmacht Battalion fighting alongside the americans in Austria before the war ended Kappa
You mean the battle of Castle Itter?
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24 Dec 2018, 16:32 PM
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Because the universe would implode when an OKW player has to face MG42s and Snipers.
24 Dec 2018, 16:37 PM
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Because the universe would implode when an OKW player has to face MG42s and Snipers.
And ostheer wouldn't?
Having to face invisible anti tank gun, murdering 251 flamer rush and infantry that actually matches grens field presence, but stomps them for only a sliver of menpower more?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 Dec 2018, 16:50 PM
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And ostheer wouldn't?
Having to face invisible anti tank gun, murdering 251 flamer rush and infantry that actually matches grens field presence, but stomps them for only a sliver of menpower more?
Almost makes me want to see it.
Ostheer being clueless how to siege a Flak HQ, as it's covered by infantry that is powerful at all ranges and invisible ATGs, maybe they can come up with a solution.
24 Dec 2018, 19:46 PM
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Me: I am scared, that i will need to shake ma head the same as when i read ur posts, so i rather not
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
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