Counter double Obersoldaten on open maps like moscow

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2018, 09:22 AMOnimusha

With USF often i have troubles with this, in an equal control map game, i have all my vetted bar rifles and maybe one or 2 50 cal. , and a sherman, okw has obers + raketen e and some volks or p4 to protect flanking. In a fuel advantage situation i would prefer scott + jackson, but normally rushing scott while he has a p4 in a minute is risky. So these Obers shred my rifles models so easily, and double ober that flank that squishy 50 cal could kill it easily on retrat with that long range dps. With soviet ISU or Katy are always good, with brit normally i camo commando squads and dobule bren tommies has better long range engages with ober, but with Usf, i'm always in trouble. Obviously in open maps. Thank you for advice.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2018, 09:22 AMOnimusha

With USF often i have troubles with this, in an equal control map game, i have all my vetted bar rifles and maybe one or 2 50 cal. , and a sherman, okw has obers + raketen e and some volks or p4 to protect flanking. In a fuel advantage situation i would prefer scott + jackson, but normally rushing scott while he has a p4 in a minute is risky. So these Obers shred my rifles models so easily, and double ober that flank that squishy 50 cal could kill it easily on retrat with that long range dps. With soviet ISU or Katy are always good, with brit normally i camo commando squads and dobule bren tommies has better long range engages with ober, but with Usf, i'm always in trouble. Obviously in open maps. Thank you for advice.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 07:20 AMEsxile

You can build a pair of position with upgrade deep in your territory to cover your flanks or a specific area.

This works well if your opponent went T2 and don't have an ISG.


Otherwise Sherman first if you went T1 is a better idea than Scott unless you dominate your opponent.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 09:36 AMLeOverlord

I got 2 options for you fella.

1) Pick Tactical Support Company, equip your Rifles with both LMG and BAR (you also go Lt with double BAR). Your Riflemen will be effective in ALL ranges, thus they will destroy Obersoldaten in every fight. It's important to keep your Lt ALIVE and get him to vet 3. Bombard the hell out of the OKW player and you got this.

2. Pick Heavy Cavalry Company and get 2 Rangers to accompany your Riflemen in every fight. By the time Rangers hit vet 1, they are unstoppable and they literally lead the way. You just pass through Obersoldaten and they die.

PS : To control OKW blobs etc, go for the AA Half Track, which is simply amazing. Keep Echelons with bazookas close to it for repairs and protection against vehicles. Enjoy OKW players leaving the game

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 09:57 AMOnimusha

Nice i love both suggestions , i will try it. Thank you Overlord.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 10:01 AMblvckdream

Yeah...except they dont work. OKW gets Obers to counter Riflemen, guess why? Because after vet 2 they shred any US infantry for fun unless you manage to flank them with CQC units like Rangers or Thompson Paras.

AA HT doesn´t work in late game and isn´t even good in early game because it doesn´t have smoke and OKW always has access to Raks.

You counter Obers with vehicles NOT with infantry.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 10:06 AMLeOverlord

Nothing works 100% and no plan survives contact with the enemy. The same way that Wehrmacht's MG spam doesn't always work, the same way this won't work 100%

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 10:59 AMblvckdream

Except what you suggest is the opposite of how the game is designed. Obersoldaten are designed to be OKW´s counter to infantry. They are a specialist unit with the sole role of killing infantry. Just like AT guns are designed to counter tanks. You dont build a tank to counter an AT gun either. For the same reason you don´t build Rangers to counter Obers.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 11:10 AMLeOverlord

So, i guess that even vet 2-3 Rifles can't beat vet 0 Obers, because by the time they hit the field, Riflemen have earned some veterancy