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OH - Early 2018 1v1 tournament meta

26 Jun 2018, 12:32 PM
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Soooo, after SCC5 I wanted to do a meta analysis. However, turned out that only a few players actually uploaded replays so the whole thing wouldn't have been representative at all. So, eventually, I extended the replays I used to all replays from SCC5 as well as Tric's SMC, which brought the total count up to 147 replays. I planned to write a proper newpost about this, alas real life interfered so I never got around doing that, and now we are past the next patch and in the next tournament, so this info could very well be considered obsolete :(

Still, for later reference I thought I put out the stuff that I had. In particular the table for the build orders below are lengthy and there is restriction about how long forum posts can be, so I will post these one faction at a time. This one is on the 62 OH games.

SOV meta is here.
Breakdown for OKW is here.
The USF data is here.
Finally, the UKF units can be found here.

In case you are wondering what stuff means (colors of text and so on: This uses the same scheme as in this post. Also: I don't know the win/loss rate for the games here as this info isn't contained in the replay files.


Players were:










gamesPlayers
8
RedxWings
6
ikab, Refero
5
VonAsten, Siddolio, EmpiresCorrupt
4
Tobis
3
oziligath
2
Brosras, Noggano, Sob3r, VonIvan, Talisman
1
vasa1719, MeinserLoop, Isildur, Apathy Prime, Frost, ProdigY, Fortune, Theodosios, Dave, FaHu


Commander picks:




Commanders in loadout




"Buildings"


(note: The last column is supposed to contain in how many games this unit could have been build (like, right teching and so on; however, that would require me to count stuff and edit the tables manually, and I'm lazy...)





unittotalgamesof
Tellermine
56
29
Medic Station
56
56
S-mine field
25
12





unittotalgamesof
Bunker MG42
5
5
Fuel Cache
4
3
Command Bunker Upgrade
2
2


Infantry units











unittotalgamesof
Grenadiers
200
51
MG42
89
58
Pioneers
80
40
PaK 40
42
26
GrW 34 Mortar Team
34
28
Osttruppen Squad
34
7
Panzergrenadiers
20
16








unittotalgamesof
Jaeger Infantry Command Squad
16
13
Sniper
15
13
Assault Grenadiers
7
3
Stormtroopers
6
4
Osttruppen (Mob. Def.)
5
5
Artillery Field Officer
5
5


Vehicles












unittotalgamesof
Panzer IV
48
26
StuG G
30
17
SdKfz. 222
23
17
Sdkfz 234 'Puma'
16
10
Flakpanzer IV Ostwind
15
11
SdKfz. 251
7
5
Panzerwerfer 42
6
5
Sturmpanzer IV
5
4









unittotalgamesof
Command Panzer IV
5
4
Panther PzKpfw V
4
4
Tiger PzKpfw VI
4
4
StuG-III E
3
2
Tiger Ace
1
1
Opel Blitz Cargo Truck
1
1
Mechanized Assault Group
1
1


Teching choices





















T1 built 89%
25%
20%
15%
RedxWings (7), ikab (6), Refero (6), Tobis (4), VonAsten (4), EmpiresCorrupt (4), oziligath (3), Brosras (2), Noggano (2), Sob3r (2), Siddolio (2), VonIvan (2), Talisman (2), and 9 others (1)
T2 built 60%
22%
16%
14%
RedxWings (8), Siddolio (4), Tobis (3), EmpiresCorrupt (3), oziligath (3), Brosras (2), Sob3r (2), vasa1719 (1), and 11 others (1)
T3 built 55%
38%
24%
9%
Refero (6), RedxWings (5), Siddolio (4), Tobis (3), ikab (3), VonAsten (2), VonIvan (2), Talisman (2), and 7 others (1)
T4 built 16%
50%
30%
10%
RedxWings (2), Siddolio (2), ikab (2), Isildur (1), VonAsten (1), Noggano (1), Refero (1)
Skipping T1 6%
75%
25%
Siddolio (3), RedxWings (1)
Skipping T3 for T4 5%
33%
33%
33%
ikab (2), Isildur (1)



Build orders:























































































1st unit2nd unit3rd unit4th unit5th unit
40
36
31
22
10 5 2 1 1
1 1 1
3
1 1 1
3
3
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
1 1
1
1
1
3
2
2
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
9
4
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
3
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
7
7
7
7
4 1 1 1
6
4
4
4
3 1
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
A_E
26 Jun 2018, 13:09 PM
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Given that GCS2 offers you a full data set https://gcs2.org/standings/brackets (hover over games for full details and to download replays)

And it is happening right now so people are focusing on it, perhaps it would be good to try something like this with these tournaments?
26 Jun 2018, 13:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 13:09 PMA_E
Given that GCS2 offers you a full data set https://gcs2.org/standings/brackets (hover over games for full details and to download replays)

And it is happening right now so people are focusing on it, perhaps it would be good to try something like this with these tournaments?


I certainly intend to do this for GCS2. Gotta think about the best way to do this, though...
26 Jun 2018, 14:26 PM
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Did i upload any games ? Keepo
26 Jun 2018, 15:26 PM
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This is why I keep saying that Ost urgently needs a light tank as a stock unit. Ost are forced to go to panic puma every game, specially against T70 early rushes.
26 Jun 2018, 15:28 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 15:26 PMLeo251
This is why I keep saying that Ost urgently needs a light tank as a stock unit. Ost are forced to go to panic puma every game, specially against T70 early rushes.


They are not forced to be honest, it's just why would you want to lose map control to a light vehicle like the t70 if you can get a mobile counter out immediately, it's just how the meta is at the moment and OH as a faction doesn't need the puma or any light vehicle to counter the t70 to survive.
27 Jun 2018, 00:07 AM
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It is absolutely no surprise that Mobile Defense is highest in people's loadouts, even if this data is 'obsolete'. Just having it in the load screen is an advantage because it threatens direct counters to vehicle rushes. Your loadout is your first move in every CoH2 match, after all. ;)

The EFA factions have relatively few strategically unique commanders without overlap. Mobile Defense offers a strategy that no other commander offers. And it just so happens three out of three allied factions are readily capable of exploiting OH's weaknesses via early vehicles.
2 Jul 2018, 20:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 13:09 PMA_E
Given that GCS2 offers you a full data set https://gcs2.org/standings/brackets (hover over games for full details and to download replays)



Very well, organized :thumb:

Downloaded all replays now; seems like the replay for G1 of VonIvan vs. Torano is incorrect (seems to be a game vs. the AI). Any chance the correct replay is available somewhere?
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