Cannot beat a classic

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2018, 10:58 AMLago

That looks like every possible 3v3 combination to me.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2018, 14:36 PMShadowLinkX37

Wanna know what blocks MGs and AT guns LoS? smoke.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2018, 15:21 PMRosbone

Last patch the best I ever saw was a brit using Commando Regiment. Combo of smoke raid and Assault abilites ran thru the MGs and REKT everything. Of course Brit commandos would decimate that line last patch as well. Have I been playing this game long enough to yearn for past patches (scared)

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2018, 15:42 PMLeOverlord

So, they made a coordinated attack while the Commandos were landing behind the enemy's lines? This needs a lot of coordination between the players.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2018, 17:40 PMRosbone

1. You get close to the line hit SMOKE RAID (60 munis). Smoke floods the area.
2. Hit ASSAULT to make your units push better (optional but 90 Munis).
3. Throw grenades on the MGs.

This strat works early-mid game since it requires 3 CPs to unlock the smoke raid.

One of the statistics guys can affirm, but the ASSUALT adds a little sprint to get you past the MGs etc. It may have been nerfed this patch to move slower.

Last patch, the inf could sprint right thru the MGs if timed right. No need for smoke at all. It was bat-shit OP. Which brings up the issue I have with commanders. Picking the right commander should not drastically change the game.

But generically it seems the pros say:
BRITS - Smoke, Grenades, Mortar pit.
USF - Mortar Smoke, grenades, mortar half tracks.
SOV - Smoke, 120mm mortar, Con sprint w/ppsh or shocks to get close and deal damage.

SKIP MY RAMBLING
I think the thing that trips everyone up is that things are meant to counter at certain times in this game. Each thing allows you some domination time. Along the order of 1-4 minutes. Where everyone thinks they made X, I need to counter with Y. And if Y does not quickly counter, then the game is busted or imbalanced. You did not anticipate unit X so you lose territory for a certain time period.

That is how I feel about bunkers, bofors, etc. They are not meant to win the game. Just buy you time in the VP race.

Jump back to quoted post11 Apr 2018, 18:01 PMLeOverlord

So, heavy use of smokes is a thing here

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2018, 13:00 PMCadianGuardsman

Reminds me of the CoH 2 early USF days where Wehrmacht players would respond to any allegations that the game was unbalanced with "SMOKE AND FLANK" which led to me doing analysis of new game to provide actual advice. (Inb4 the USF had smoke taken away from it's key unit /facepalm)

But it really depends what mode you play. I play 4v4s because 1v1s are a bit dull for me now so I can say smoke is less effective thank teamwork and flanking though it is a key factor.

As mentioned above smoke raids, smoke grenades, mortars and possibly the best of all SHERMAN SMOKE WALL OF DEATH stand out as strong contenders. A good USF player knows that the Sherman mortar is best used offensively as defensively it's inferior to all others. Not to mention you can force attack through it something not a lot of players do unit your in the top ~300. At the very least it will allow infantry to act aggressively.

None the less anything past 1v1 means teamwork trumps everything. It doesn't matter how well you play because if your allies don't keep up and support your attacks it's pretty much GG. It's why the 4v4/3v3 community is so toxic.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 04:07 AMLeOverlord

I play 3v3 and 4v4 with friends. Recently i used Infantry Company and the result was pretty good. I just need to adjust my gameplay and stop relying on a static defense. My micro with tanks is terrible, and i can't keep a tank alive long enough. I will try to make heavy use of the smokes from now on and wish for the best

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 04:07 AMLeOverlord

I play 3v3 and 4v4 with friends. Recently i used Infantry Company and the result was pretty good. I just need to adjust my gameplay and stop relying on a static defense. My micro with tanks is terrible, and i can't keep a tank alive long enough. I will try to make heavy use of the smokes from now on and wish for the best

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 05:08 AMCadianGuardsman

Well you seem to know to avoid using static defences in team games so you're on the right track. Too much mortar spam for it to be useful sadly :/

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 06:52 AMTrebgarta

If you are relying on static defences and are bad with micro, smoke will only get you so far. You need to improve your micro as tanks are crucial, and I recommend playing smaller games so that you can practice micro more. 2v2/1v1s have infinitely more opportunities to practice micro compared to 3v3/4v4s, and the only way to improve is practice.

I have a different experience though, when I play Axis, I never see static defences hold up against artillery if the Allies are determined enough with it and bring tons.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2018, 13:00 PMCadianGuardsman

Reminds me of the CoH 2 early USF days where Wehrmacht players would respond to any allegations that the game was unbalanced with "SMOKE AND FLANK" which led to me doing analysis of new game to provide actual advice. (Inb4 the USF had smoke taken away from it's key unit /facepalm)

But it really depends what mode you play. I play 4v4s because 1v1s are a bit dull for me now so I can say smoke is less effective thank teamwork and flanking though it is a key factor.

As mentioned above smoke raids, smoke grenades, mortars and possibly the best of all SHERMAN SMOKE WALL OF DEATH stand out as strong contenders. A good USF player knows that the Sherman mortar is best used offensively as defensively it's inferior to all others. Not to mention you can force attack through it something not a lot of players do unit your in the top ~300. At the very least it will allow infantry to act aggressively.

None the less anything past 1v1 means teamwork trumps everything. It doesn't matter how well you play because if your allies don't keep up and support your attacks it's pretty much GG. It's why the 4v4/3v3 community is so toxic. Can i ask how can i counter at 1v1s 2v2s 3v3s and 4v4s the MG spams from OKW and Especially stupid OST i jsut cna do anything as USF they jsut spam mgs then grenadiers long range rekt my riflemen with flame half track to an ostwind then spam paks with stugs what do i need to get armor company for spam m10s what am i soppose to do cuz obviosly i cant use smoek cuz riflemen dont have smoke have to get rearr echelon which if i go rifle company cant use smoke forces me to get mortar