Is OKW the Final Boss In This Game?

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2017, 19:48 PM__deleted__

First we need to get rid of "get out of jail free cards" in order to balance OKW.

OKW faction should behave like any other faction. If you make a mistake early on or f*uck it up, you should be punished. Period.

Thats how all GOOD Strategy games work. From Chess, through Starcraft, Aoe's to Civ and HoMnM series.

Having a Mr.Click Me that allows you to bypass any extended early game play or grevious mistakes is a fail on a game design Basis.

Yes, I've been talking about doctrines like Special Ops, Scavenger or Elite Armor.

Commanders should extend your capabilities and allow you to amend your playstyle. They should not save your a**. Period

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2017, 21:57 PMClassyDavid

Why I go Airborne almost every game against OKW as USF needs a HMG to hold down territory and reduce the bleed USF suffers as I can't go LT because the danger Luchs presents is so significant that it can't be ignored. Marked Raptor also made a excellent statement of how Luchs is almost single handily dictating the meta in one v ones.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2017, 23:31 PMAlphrum

ohhh booo hooo OKW is the only faction that can stand against my glorious allied factions so lets just nerf it like we do to ostheer so we can roftstomp them too

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2017, 20:54 PMMarkedRaptor

Jae you were the OKW he fought 3 times in a row that used the luches rush to destroy him. You even made that joke thread about how he BARELY held on until he got a pershing out and won a game.

I also recall this happening near the start of his stream not the end when he said he wanted to reach rank 1 USF.

Who is dave again? I only know of a few people so you'll have to excuse me.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2017, 21:57 PMClassyDavid

quote not relevant

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 00:43 AMMarkedRaptor

Thanks! Your post was informative as well. It makes sense for the airborne strat used in that way, since it allows skipping the LT tech, I should try it sometime.



But I like Ostheer...Ostheer just suffers from the fact it has an actual trade off of weak early game but good mid, strong late game. (Which it can be argued they are not rewarded enough for their trade off). I'm all for a fix to some of Ostheer's issues, but just because they are underperforming does not mean OKW should be insane.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 02:16 AMClassyDavid

Another factor I use Airborne is for Paratroopers to further add AI to my army since going CPT I give him bazooka's and his On Me Ability! is very beneficial to Paratroopers of either variants.

Also the posts by you on USF changes from the patch I do agree wholeheartedly

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 18:16 PMDonnieChan

How about playing some games with OK first before you forum post around?

You have no single OKW game but dozens of allied games.

Believe me, seeing youself countered is the biggest cure against balance complaints

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 18:16 PMDonnieChan

How about playing some games with OK first before you forum post around?

You have no single OKW game but dozens of allied games.

Believe me, seeing youself countered is the biggest cure against balance complaints

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2017, 22:04 PMZombiFrancis

Volks stgs and incendiary nades screwed the pooch with OKW pretty hard.

Both are results of addressing a problem in a vacuum (volks schrecks overperforming and OKWs inability to handle maxim garrisons respectively).

And then maxims got changed, and the handheld AT weapon xp issues were addressed later...

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 05:16 AMLoopDloop

I've also always liked airborne and it still holds a special place in my heart but how do you deal with it being so manpower heavy? I used to use it at lower ranks where I could afford mistakes and didn't bleed as much (due to not being as properly aggressive).

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 20:29 PMEtherealDragon

I have to say that I'm a big fan of the OKW changes in 1.3 of the DBP - I think overall the balance team did a good job of nerfing the more cancerous aspects of OKW while buffing the things that needed buffed especially SturmPios, Raketen, Falls, and Obers.

PS. I'm so sad that Airborne didn't make the cut for the Commander Revamp - Recon and Mech were no-brainers but a buff to Pathfinders and P-47 would have been a huge boon to that commander (and buffed Jackson means you can get by with stock armor A LOT easier).

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 20:43 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

I'm still sad the Jackson was nerfed to 160 dmg per shot, hopefully they will fix HVAP to make up for it, then the unit would be better off than it was before.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 20:55 PMEtherealDragon

Yeah, I mean I understand because Jackson buffs were getting to be a bit much but I don't think it's a huge deal since 160 vs. 200 damage doesn't mean much vs. medium tanks. I'll take that any day over USF getting rofl-stomped by heavy armor because their only TD gets destroyed by a stiff breeze.

I like to think that HVAP Shells (both M10 and Jackson) will get fixed - the balance team seems to be good about getting Relic to accept the QoL and bug fixes that plague certain units. That, and patch notes always seem to be incomplete. Like apparently how the anti-air damage standardization is supposedly included in the DBP but is nowhere in the notes.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 20:29 PMEtherealDragon

I have to say that I'm a big fan of the OKW changes in 1.3 of the DBP - I think overall the balance team did a good job of nerfing the more cancerous aspects of OKW while buffing the things that needed buffed especially SturmPios, Raketen, Falls, and Obers.

PS. I'm so sad that Airborne didn't make the cut for the Commander Revamp - Recon and Mech were no-brainers but a buff to Pathfinders and P-47 would have been a huge boon to that commander (and buffed Jackson means you can get by with stock armor A LOT easier).