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Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 21:08 PMShadowLinkX37

I didn't realize I was flaming.

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Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 23:08 PMkarolllus

Yeah you must think you're so clever acting passive aggresive and pretending to be a saint. Sad ^^

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 12:34 PMUlaire Minya

6 minute Luchs

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 23:16 PMinsaneHoshi

But AEC comes faster. Stuart Comes out around the same time as well.

They both counter the Luchs.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 14:06 PMHighfiveeeee

That's just bullshit. You know what? You can also build it even faster but it won't serve you any purpose because it takes 600 MP to get the FRP and no one can use it if there is no unit on the field.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 14:46 PMthekingsown10

Not one of these are valid i'm afraid and are certainly light years from being cheese and game breaking.

Strums- They cost 320 manpower very expensive for a early game unit and have to close distance to be effective otherwise they are useless (which is why you very rarely see them spammed). They will get torn to pieces if they try to rush rifleman.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 00:59 AMkingdun3284

Build Luch, you can get both AT and AI capability as an axis player with the ultimate kiting performance. Build stuart or AEC, the only usage is a waste of MP and fuel and not even a hard counter to something that your opponent may or may not invest into after a several nerf on AI performance. Is it fair? Simply not. I can't count how many times looking at my teammate's AEC still hitting the ground after a luch kill several models and vet up and just leave that same as there isn't an AEC at all. Or try to chase a one hp luch and being killed by a luch ironically, since luch can reliably penetrate AEC at all distance without missing a shot. But, we all know that investing a single AEC is more expensive , right?

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 01:12 AMkingdun3284

It's 300 MP only.By just paying only 20 MP more, you don't have to fight as close as an assault engineer while enjoy better vet, better combat scale and flexibility and super repair speed that don't affect combat performance actually. In fact, in a fair 1v1 situation, a single rifleman will get torn into pieces if it get rushed by a strum.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 02:38 AMLoopDloop

Lol please don't call luchs at. It's true that it has ridiculously low scatter penalties on the move and very consistent dps to begin with, but it's sure as hell not at even if it does reliably pen aec. AEC needs better moving accuracy and acceleration/maneuverability tho but I think this may be the final version of the game so whatever.

Don't forget that assault engis are actually more to reinforce for some dumb reason.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2017, 12:18 PMthekingsown10

And what if there are 20 buildings?

Are you suggesting one has to leave a unit in a single building all game just to stop a 210 manpower unit from abusing the cheese?

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 00:59 AMkingdun3284

Build Luch, you can get both AT and AI capability

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 05:42 AMinsaneHoshi

Luchs has no AT capability. And all allied light tanks (AEC, Stuart and T70) will always win vs a luchs

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 02:38 AMLoopDloop

Lol please don't call luchs at. It's true that it has ridiculously low scatter penalties on the move and very consistent dps to begin with, but it's sure as hell not at even if it does reliably pen aec. AEC needs better moving accuracy and acceleration/maneuverability tho but I think this may be the final version of the game so whatever.

Don't forget that assault engis are actually more to reinforce for some dumb reason.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 11:35 AMkingdun3284

Loll so please don't call AEC or stuart AT. They can't counter any thing heavier than a light vehicle while having far less AI power than Luch.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 11:37 AMthekingsown10

A simple AT gun will take on a luch , this is not cheese.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 12:12 PMPuppetmaster

A simple stuka ze fuss will take down a fhq. So not cheese then?

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 15:08 PMthekingsown10

You are misunderstanding the concept of what cheese is.

I am sure a stuka is capable of countering a field hq after multiple volleys , yet so is a demo charge or 1000 mortars. This is not the point , the cheese is the ability to capture a building inside hostile territory surrounded by enemies with a single unit and have not just a reinforcement point , not just a near impenetrable building (for the large ones) but a flurry of bonuses as well. This is cheese.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 11:35 AMkingdun3284

Loll so please don't call AEC or stuart AT. They can't counter any thing heavier than a light vehicle while having far less AI power than Luch.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2017, 10:55 AMEsxile

Nop, if a Luch can't win by itself vs AEC/Stuart and T70, you cannot lose vs them if you keep your distance and stay close to your raketen or volks. Stuart and T70 take ages to take a Luch down, the AEC is better in this role.
If the Luch is seen as OP, it is mostly due because it rapes infantry and OKW having access to Raketen and HMG34 per default + the PUMA from the same building to support it.

Put the HMG34 and Raketen out of the HQ (onto T1) and I'm pretty sure you'll see far less Luch.