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Vaz
31 Oct 2016, 01:26 AM
#1
avatar of Vaz

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I get bored of this game if I don't lose, tbh. I get angry just like anyone else, but if I don't lose, I want to do something else after about 3 wins. Everyone else seems to be opposite, they stop playing when they lose. What does losing to do you?
31 Oct 2016, 02:00 AM
#2
avatar of NigelBallsworth

Posts: 267

I'm NOT a pro, and I prefer to play Allies in large team games. Losing at this game is a fact of life for me. Still, I play 2 maybe 3 games, then I stop if I feel like I'm really beating my head against a wall. My general rule of thumb is if I start to hurl abuse at the opposing team, I just leave. It's embarrassing, solves nothing, but more importantly is an indicator that no one should be this stressed over a video game. Once in a while I play Axis if I just want to win without working too hard at it...
31 Oct 2016, 18:32 PM
#3
avatar of Tiger Baron

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You wanna lose? Play Wehrmacht.
Vaz
31 Oct 2016, 18:35 PM
#4
avatar of Vaz

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I don't want to lose, I play to win, but there are a lot of good players. I lose least with WM, however.
31 Oct 2016, 18:54 PM
#5
avatar of Aradan

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Axis in large team games is still very easy.
31 Oct 2016, 20:32 PM
#6
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Oct 2016, 18:54 PMAradan
Axis in large team games is still very easy.


Heh, no.
31 Oct 2016, 20:58 PM
#7
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Posts: 930

jump backJump back to quoted post31 Oct 2016, 18:54 PMAradan
Axis in large team games is still very easy.


shhh... Don't stir up the werhababbies or they will come crying.
31 Oct 2016, 21:02 PM
#8
avatar of Finndeed
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Posts: 612 | Subs: 1

I took a look at your playercard and you win a little over half your games. Seems like you are chattin' shit fam. Want a challenge? hows about you play all factions, 1v1 and try to get to rank 200 with all of them.
31 Oct 2016, 21:14 PM
#9
avatar of Dangerous-Cloth

Posts: 2066

I took a look at your playercard and you win a little over half your games. Seems like you are chattin' shit fam. Want a challenge? hows about you play all factions, 1v1 and try to get to rank 200 with all of them.


Try ostheer first :foreveralone:
31 Oct 2016, 22:50 PM
#10
avatar of zerocoh

Posts: 930



Try ostheer first :foreveralone:


Just did, won easily.

seriously, how bad you can be to not win with the faction that has the best units, best abilities and commanders?
31 Oct 2016, 22:55 PM
#11
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Oct 2016, 22:50 PMzerocoh


Just did, won easily.

seriously, how bad you can be to not win with the faction that has the best units, best abilities and commanders?


Where is the evidence? If they have the best units then why does the faction have to cheese in tournament settings with 1/2 of the core not being in play?
31 Oct 2016, 23:08 PM
#12
avatar of Dangerous-Cloth

Posts: 2066

jump backJump back to quoted post31 Oct 2016, 22:50 PMzerocoh


Just did, won easily.

seriously, how bad you can be to not win with the faction that has the best units, best abilities and commanders?


Your name suits you, you have zero knowledge of what you are ranting about lol
1 Nov 2016, 00:34 AM
#13
avatar of ZombiFrancis

Posts: 2742

Win or Lose, I tend to quit after a frustrating match.

I don't have entire days and weekends to devote to playing matches (anymore) so my tolerance for wasting time with frustrating gameplay or heavily imbalanced matchups is very slim. Steamrolling an opponent, (or worse having to 'win' against an afk opponent(s) or AI), is worse than a loss most times, at least as far as enjoyment is concerned.
1 Nov 2016, 08:28 AM
#14
avatar of VelikiStrateg

Posts: 50

jump backJump back to quoted post31 Oct 2016, 18:54 PMAradan
Axis in large team games is still very easy.


Just noob this talk.
1 Nov 2016, 09:55 AM
#15
avatar of Aradan

Posts: 1003

jump backJump back to quoted post31 Oct 2016, 20:58 PMzerocoh


shhh... Don't stir up the werhababbies or they will come crying.


My fault, I feed axis trolls. It was responding to posts up.

Just in time, you get to a certain level. On this level, you usually have one win, on one loss.
It is normal state. You get forward only when improving your style of play and micro.

Many people than their own improvement, dedicated to whine on forum.
1 Nov 2016, 12:18 PM
#16
avatar of Svanh

Posts: 181



Where is the evidence? If they have the best units then why does the faction have to cheese in tournament settings with 1/2 of the core not being in play?

I certainly don't agree with zerocoh, but "cheese in tournaments with 1/2 of the core not being in play" is true to a greater or lesser extent for every faction. :)
Vaz
1 Nov 2016, 13:12 PM
#17
avatar of Vaz

Posts: 1158

There is plenty of evidence of Axis units being the best in the stats. Even if a specific unit isn't the best, I can't think of any that are the worst either. Each unit is pretty effective at what it does.

However, I will say that I was recently really pissed and frustrated using a jpIV and it fucking missed over and over again at the longest range. I don't know if it was just a crap game, but it might have missed more than the jackson and panther do at long range. At least the shots didn't get deflected though, I think that would inspire rage quit in me (which I don't do).
1 Nov 2016, 13:36 PM
#18
avatar of Mirdarion

Posts: 283

jump backJump back to quoted post1 Nov 2016, 13:12 PMVaz
There is plenty of evidence of Axis units being the best in the stats. Even if a specific unit isn't the best, I can't think of any that are the worst either. Each unit is pretty effective at what it does.


By the raw numbers, only a few units like Assault Grens could fit that description. If you set it in relation to the gameplay mechanics of the specific faction and the gameplay mechanics of the opposing factions, you will get to see a significantly different picture: The Ostheer Panzer IV is the worst medium tank if you compare costs and performances across all factions, the Ostheer Panther is also the worst tank destroyer for its cost.

Then there's mechanical problems: Ostheer teching in general is still the worst mechanic in the entire game (followed with some distance by Soviet teching, which has the benefit of not being as linear), which in turn has a considerable effect on the entire faction. While especially the US gets actual combat capability when teching up, Soviets and Ostheer suffer from having large investments drained with no such immediate pay-off (luckily, OKW was toned down to more acceptable levels recently). And of course the problem of what playstyles the game itself favours (e.g. mobile infantry units are generally better off than their immobile counterparts) and how the factions do or don't fit that, which of course also creates a bunch of problems by itself without actual unit performance being of relevance.

So yes, if we go by pure numbers on the units themselves, there are few problems in terms of balance design. But if you look at the bigger picture, beyond comparing unit A and unit B (such comparisons work with only a handful of units in the game, in most cases those "by the numbers"-comparisons are useless), there is actually a lot of work that needs to be done.
1 Nov 2016, 13:41 PM
#19
avatar of Tom_BR

Posts: 79

I think the tournaments evidence the best players and not as best factions, the major players have victories indexes with their factions well above the average, are the best players as a reference, they all should have the contents of victories and defeats playing with a college determined below the overall average statistics of the game. That NEVER happens!
1 Nov 2016, 13:57 PM
#20
avatar of DAZ187

Posts: 466

you complaining about losing. how about 3 team drops in a row before the game started. and you are angry about losing fairly.
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