on the ptrs

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 09:46 AMStug life

....... They cost 330 ........

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 04:16 AMFiresparks

except the upgrade on the conscript do give them a different PTRS entity than the guards.

they used to give the same PTRS, but was made separate since it was too powerful on the conscript.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 07:25 AMUnited

Why are we making Guards better? Shock troops already see minimal play, we don't need to make Guards the 100% better call in.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 12:01 PMMr.Smith

Shocks just need to stop having a grenade that sucks. Shock troops grenade has the worst AoE in the game; for no reason.

Considering that their counterparts (Obers, PGrens, Falls, etc) have just gotten access to the god-grenade last patch, I would rather Shocks get access to, at least, a normal-damage nade.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 07:25 AMUnited

Why are we making Guards better? Shock troops already see minimal play, we don't need to make Guards the 100% better call in.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 10:56 AMTiger Baron

What Katikof said.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 09:46 AMKatitof

The reason it was too powerful in the first place was removed long time ago, it was 40 dmg on inf and it destroyed team weapons.

Con ptrs went on Relics traditional balance roller-coaster, from top, to the very bottom, because fuck small adjustments, huge revamps FTW, what can go wrong?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 21:37 PMFiresparks

shock troops with their smoke is still one of the best anti-mg infantry unit in the game.

their 1.5 armor also make the one of the toughest infantry squad in the game. It's got a six men squad with one of the highest defensive modifier in the game.






I will agree that the conscript PTRS got overnerfed with the separate weapon change and the damage change to the weapon.

At least the conscript PTRS can be changed without changing the Guard PTRS, since the two weapons are separate game file.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 21:37 PMFiresparks

their 1.5 armor also make the one of the toughest infantry squad in the game. It's got a six men squad with one of the highest defensive modifier in the game.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 21:48 PMTiger Baron

It's called a separate weapon entity, not game file.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 01:35 AMTiger Baron

If you cared to read my first comment more carefully you would have already seen that I already mentioned that they have to be the same entity since they're useless on the cons.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 21:51 PMAustralian Magic

I wouldn't call them the toughest.

Sure, at vet 0 they are but as the game moves on, armor becomes obsolete.
HMGs have penetration over 1.5 so it's useless against them, useless against mounted HMGs on tanks and in mid-late game it's better to have lowe rec. acc. than armor.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:13 PMUnited

Guards>Shocks

Guards get long ranged firepower and anti vehicle capabilities in one package. They can also "stun" any vehicle.

Shock troops can only charge infantry and get shot.

Its clear which unit scales and which falls flat. Maybe in some niche shocks perform better in some situation, but Guards 9/10 are better and recommended. Plus with Penals new performance Shocktroops anti infantry capabilities are worth less.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:30 PMVuther

Your logic doesn't exactly prove your conclusion in practice considering Guards are pretty clearly the least effective infantry AT in the game and Button's pretty up there with Volley Fire in general uselessness.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:11 PMFiresparks

now you're just arguing semantics. It's a separate weapon entity located in a different game file.

and originally you were arguing they are the same entity.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:30 PMVuther

Your logic doesn't exactly prove your conclusion in practice considering Guards are pretty clearly the least effective infantry AT in the game and Button's pretty up there with Volley Fire in general uselessness.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:57 PMTiger Baron

No, I said they HAVE TO BE, not are, HAVE TO BE, SHOULD BE.

That's why I said read carefully.

Again, THEY ARE USELESS on the cons, not so much on the Guards altho as the OP points out, they're pretty underpowerforming on them as well.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2016, 13:04 PMTiger Baron

Just a little note, the PTRS is not only used by Guards but by Cons from the Tank Hunter tactics commander as well, but buffing it would mean you would also need to buff the German and British equivalents to the same levels so it's fair to everybody SINCE they're basically the same thing, all are mostly firing a .55 cal round.

Fun fact, the Soviet PTRS and PDRS are actually copied from a Finnish weapon, like the PPSh.

And yes I know that the Soviets are the main users of Anti-Tank rifles and that it's their only hand-held AT weapon compared to other Armies but having the British Tank Hunter Section is the Brits' only way of fighting early light vehicles because of the PIAT's inaccuracy while Idk Relic might decide to add a new German squad that uses the German Panzerbusche AT Rifle? For example a Panzerjager squad to the OKW that can upgrade to a single (or double) Shreck(s) that come by default with the AT rifle tho.
And buffing the PTRS entitiy also buffs the Con ones, not just the Guard ones.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:55 PMUnited

Because Guards are so unpopular among Soviet players right? And Guards can pen light vehicles and medium tanks just fine, button has been nerfed since its earlier total disable, but calling it as worthless as volley fire is not true. Guards may not be the best AT squad in the game, but they are the best the soviets got. Shock troops role can be filled by Penals snipers and other units,(including guards themselves) but there is only one guards squad.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2016, 22:19 PMFiresparks

infantry squad small arms still have penetration below 1.5.

and the default mg on the axis tank have 1 penetration. it's the pintle mounted mg that have hmg penetration.