probably because it has a romulan cloaking device
Is it really that bad? I barely use it.
Jagdpanzer 4 price
21 Jun 2016, 03:21 AM
#21
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Is it really that bad? I barely use it.
21 Jun 2016, 03:27 AM
#22
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Is it really that bad? I barely use it.
It's even worse.
21 Jun 2016, 03:46 AM
#23
Posts: 1122
Lol, opening this thread i expected call for nerf.
Srsly, its one of the most powerfull and costefficient units in the game, which destroys every tank of its class with ease, and becomes absolute doomdsday mashine with veterancy. Dare i say that jp4 better than a panther in every way untill you playing on city map with a shootblockers everywhere.
And dont forget about exceptionally small target size, which makes all mediums trying to chase jp4 to miss it all the time, this and decent frontal armor in combination witch op cloak makes it very hard to kill jp4 even with overwhelming tank force.
Srsly, its one of the most powerfull and costefficient units in the game, which destroys every tank of its class with ease, and becomes absolute doomdsday mashine with veterancy. Dare i say that jp4 better than a panther in every way untill you playing on city map with a shootblockers everywhere.
And dont forget about exceptionally small target size, which makes all mediums trying to chase jp4 to miss it all the time, this and decent frontal armor in combination witch op cloak makes it very hard to kill jp4 even with overwhelming tank force.
21 Jun 2016, 06:46 AM
#24
Posts: 1003
Lol, opening this thread i expected call for nerf.
Srsly, its one of the most powerfull and costefficient units in the game, which destroys every tank of its class with ease, and becomes absolute doomdsday mashine with veterancy. Dare i say that jp4 better than a panther in every way untill you playing on city map with a shootblockers everywhere.
And dont forget about exceptionally small target size, which makes all mediums trying to chase jp4 to miss it all the time, this and decent frontal armor in combination witch op cloak makes it very hard to kill jp4 even with overwhelming tank force.
+1
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
21 Jun 2016, 08:07 AM
#25
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
???????????????
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=jagdpanzer_tank_destroyer_squad_mp
185 pen cons vision ( can't see flank or back)
New su-85 has the " I see you ability" and more pen
Why should I build a jp4 instead of the panther ?
And JP4 has "no, you don't and fuck your attack ground attempts", more armor and more slight range without crippling movement(its irrelevant that it can't see behind, you're dead anyway if med is behind turretless TD).
And umm, because you have 140 fuel, are completely cut-off and you need to get rid of that sherman trolling you? There is nothing wrong with JP4. In fact, the real question is, WHY would you ever go Panther instead of Luchs+JP4.
Before it was in tier 1 and the price was reasonable but now no more
Before OKW had fuel penalty.
Remember?
Btw here the stats of current su 85 http://www.stat.coh2.hu/weapon.php?filename=su85_d5t_85mm__mp
Has more pen cost less has sight ability same reload (4.88 jp4 4.13 su 85)
SU-85 is soviet top tier TD.
JP4 got something above it.
Su-85 is a glass cannon.
JP4 can actually bounce shells and enter different dimension to avoid fire.
JP4 also shoots at paper while SU-85 at armored tanks.
You can't look at raw stats and compare them, because they don't fight the same targets.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Jun 2016, 08:31 AM
#26
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In addition to pen buff SU-85 got reload nerf and price increase.
Just so you don't miss these facts.
Just so you don't miss these facts.
21 Jun 2016, 09:55 AM
#27
Posts: 4474
For 1 thing I was comparing to the current su-85 and I would be ok with the price if it had the same pen as current su 85 both are tier 4 while it has more armor it has cone vision and a bit slower rate of fire but really I don't see it very much , is used only in emergency case where you need fast at if not you go for the panther (65 more fuel ) or p4 ( more armor less pen ai but cost 15 more) so if you need it as early at just lower its price without buffing stats
( would you use su-76 if it was in tier 4 instead of su 85 ?)
Btw su-76 has more pen than jp4 lol
( would you use su-76 if it was in tier 4 instead of su 85 ?)
Btw su-76 has more pen than jp4 lol
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21 Jun 2016, 10:13 AM
#28
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would lower its price to 30 fuel to please okw fanboys
21 Jun 2016, 10:19 AM
#29
Posts: 4474
would lower its price to 30 fuel to please okw fanboyswould remove it from the game with the panther to please ally fan boy
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21 Jun 2016, 12:02 PM
#30
Posts: 393
JP4 does not need a price decrease.
The only reason COH2 is still around, is because it's preserved by salt.
21 Jun 2016, 12:20 PM
#31
Posts: 677
Imo JP need to have the camo fixed, the Vet 5 ability fixed and a specific role.
If it a counter to medium tanks it need to be cheaper and have less pop. (should be closer to Stug and SU-76)
If it is meant to be a counter to heavy tanks it needs more penetrations.
If it a counter to medium tanks it need to be cheaper and have less pop. (should be closer to Stug and SU-76)
If it is meant to be a counter to heavy tanks it needs more penetrations.
21 Jun 2016, 12:23 PM
#32
Posts: 4474
JP4 does not need a price decrease.sorry i just posted the stat and give an explanation why i would either decrease the price or buff the pen but yea you just write what you want
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21 Jun 2016, 12:36 PM
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Cloak makes it hard for allies to fire back, becomes super sniper with vet and has surprisingly high front armor. If u want a cheaper jagpzr than you need to compensate and reduce performance.
21 Jun 2016, 13:08 PM
#34
Posts: 508
Yeah let's buff the JP4, but then give the su-85 a bugged cloak 
21 Jun 2016, 13:11 PM
#35
Posts: 1484
I just hate the fact that JagdPanzer is in the Flak truck. The Flak truck has all the eggs in one basket approach is a nightmare if OKW is on the back foot. I personally would like to see the JagdPanzer back to either Med truck or Mech truck.
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21 Jun 2016, 13:19 PM
#36
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I just hate the fact that JagdPanzer is in the Flak truck. The Flak truck has all the eggs in one basket approach is a nightmare if OKW is on the back foot. I personally would like to see the JagdPanzer back to either Med truck or Mech truck.
JgPzIV in 8 min of game?
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
21 Jun 2016, 13:25 PM
#37
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I just hate the fact that JagdPanzer is in the Flak truck. The Flak truck has all the eggs in one basket approach is a nightmare if OKW is on the back foot. I personally would like to see the JagdPanzer back to either Med truck or Mech truck.
There was no other way if we don't want powerful units arriving super early.
No fuel penalty, remember?
No more special snowflake'ing.
Even if it went back to med truck, it would have to be locked until schwerer is up or there would be imbalance.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Jun 2016, 13:28 PM
#38
Posts: 393
sorry i just posted the stat and give an explanation why i would either decrease the price or buff the pen but yea you just write what you want
Since it has supercloak at vet 1 that lets you win or escape vs a SU85 everytime and the scaling of the JP4 is way better than SU85
The only reason COH2 is still around, is because it's preserved by salt.
21 Jun 2016, 13:40 PM
#39
Posts: 1585 | Subs: 1
@OP, please feel free to post a replay where you feel the JPIV is underperforming. I would strongly disagree that you are getting a bad deal on the JPIV. If anything, the tank will be increased in cost or changed in the future because of its ridiculous vet right now.
21 Jun 2016, 13:43 PM
#40
Posts: 1954
I just hate the fact that JagdPanzer is in the Flak truck. The Flak truck has all the eggs in one basket approach is a nightmare if OKW is on the back foot. I personally would like to see the JagdPanzer back to either Med truck or Mech truck.
So can we put the Jackson in T1 just in case the USF player ends up on the back foot? I really like your logic.
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