Flame Hetzer

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 13:47 PMSander93

The sum of fuel would be about equal to the T-70, which is comparibly deadly. I don't see why it couldn't act as a more expensive Luchs as an intermediate light/medium vehicle. It would also be helpful if you made a constructive argument or proposal instead of this nonsense.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 13:47 PMSander93

The sum of fuel would be about equal to the T-70, which is comparibly deadly. I don't see why it couldn't act as a more expensive Luchs as an intermediate light/medium vehicle. It would also be helpful if you made a constructive argument or proposal instead of this nonsense.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 13:47 PMSander93

The sum of fuel would be about equal to the T-70, which is comparibly deadly. I don't see why it couldn't act as a more expensive Luchs as an intermediate light/medium vehicle. It would also be helpful if you made a constructive argument or proposal instead of this nonsense.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 17:45 PMaerafield

do you have any idea of how OP Hetzers are (in the hands of a good player) if the opponent only has AT guns and snares as sole anti tank source?

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 18:03 PMSander93

Welcome to the Axis team where T70s can cause this kind of mayhem every match.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 19:17 PMSander93

I didn't know the Hetzer could run circles around ATGs and destroy infantry left and right or wipe retreating squads half the time either. But here we are. (Also as I've just tested it takes significantly longer than '5 seconds' to kill an ATG at max range and USF/UKF ATG have a fair chance of killing it before they die.)

I guess it was stupid of me to just assume it was logical for everyone that moving a unit to another tier does not mean it should retain all of its current performance.

So let me rephrase my original suggestion. Move Hetzer to T1 or T2 so it's available earlier and instead becomes a risk/reward choice between fast tech or possibly better map control. Nerf performance accordingly if needed. There we go, wasn't that hard now was it?

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 21:19 PMSander93

You mean the one that has been largely reverted by now? Yes I remember.

But hey I guess it's much better to keep the unit as it is now and never see it instead of trying some changes that might increase its popularity.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 16:56 PMVipper

Flame hetzer should become a call-in unit again (as some other specialized unit in doctrines that do not provide both AI and AI tanks) able to calling with premium at certain CP or when T4 is placed for normal price. The unit should still be available for call-in even when t4 is destroyed.

It could also see a rear armor increase since many times it has to exposes its rear armor due to lack of turret and sort range.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2018, 22:06 PMLago

A patch was cancelled because of how unpopular the call-in premium mechanic was.

CoH 2 simply doesn't have the UI to properly display the price premiums.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2018, 21:46 PMWingZero

I think the main problem with Hetzer is that OKW lacks strong AT options if you spend the fuel.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2018, 08:50 AMKurfürst

It should need to have more frontal armor, with marginal side armor.

I would nerf to flame dot damage though, its quite ridiculus how things first do not die to this thing, then 2 seconds the lava lake created by it consumes everything.


It should be more consistent and should give you more ability to react. Right now even if you retreat you probably loose the unit to the lava.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2018, 08:50 AMKurfürst

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I would nerf to flame dot damage though, its quite ridiculus how things first do not die to this thing, then 2 seconds the lava lake created by it consumes everything.


It should be more consistent and should give you more ability to react. Right now even if you retreat you probably loose the unit to the lava.