Make T-34 great again Relic.lol, way before that. The T-34 has been pretty useless since the game came out.
On a serious note, for how long have been people clamouring for a usable (non-doctrine specific) soviet medium tank?
How yeah...ever since they had the bright idea to push it into Tier 4.
T 34s
18 Mar 2016, 01:57 AM
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18 Mar 2016, 02:04 AM
#22
Posts: 55
How about an accuracy buff all around. Problem solved. Leave its price and tier. Done
18 Mar 2016, 02:36 AM
#23
Posts: 680
Soviets should be about pressure through numbers in my opinion, quantity has a quality etc. 6 man squads reflect this quite well so maybe having T34/76s only buildable in pairs for a discounted cost could be an interesting idea.
Make them almost blind ( say 15 or 20m sight range) so that they have serious problems without infantry support.
Make them almost blind ( say 15 or 20m sight range) so that they have serious problems without infantry support.
18 Mar 2016, 03:02 AM
#24
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lol, way before that. The T-34 has been pretty useless since the game came out.
it used to have utility (lol) in that ram was batshit OP and 2 t34s could take on any armour by disabling it then taking 4986 into the ass armour (accounting for bounces of course) to kill it/ allowed your zis to plink away , but to be fair they were like 50fuel or something like that back then... but i'm sure they could make 500 fuel and it would STILL suck because relic wants early war tanks to be fighting end war tanks so they CANT be on par/ better
options-
-make a tier 3.5 with those side techs that the allied factions love having exclusively so much
-replace with 85 and put in t3, increase price
-replace with 85 make call in, increase price
-buff and pretend its a final tier unit
-remove entirely and watch as no one misses it, give t70 ram to compensate
-reduce price/pop cap
-fancy side tech to reduce price/pop cap
what relic will do
-ignore because the soviet aren't making any money outside of commanders needed to allow the soviet to preform like the other factions
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18 Mar 2016, 03:46 AM
#25
Posts: 609
Lol, Commissar thinks T70 and maxim are bad, I think we've found the anti-lolcake.
Anyways, The 34/76 is pretty bad, but I feel like replacing it straight up with the T34/85 would make the SU/85 redundant. IMO, making the 34/76's MGs more consistent/powerful and making them 240/90 and buffing the SU/85 to have less RoF and more pen/accuracy would be the way to make T4 useful.
Anyways, The 34/76 is pretty bad, but I feel like replacing it straight up with the T34/85 would make the SU/85 redundant. IMO, making the 34/76's MGs more consistent/powerful and making them 240/90 and buffing the SU/85 to have less RoF and more pen/accuracy would be the way to make T4 useful.
18 Mar 2016, 03:52 AM
#26
Posts: 366
I would say to reduce the manpower to 260, I find spamming them leaves me without any manpower.
And yeah, their mg can do with a damage buff (mayby a accuracy buff as well but that may be asking to much).
I always thought that having side tech for both the t34 and su 85 would be nice for late game.
E.g Skirts for the t34/76 ( mayby something to improve its speed would be nice as well) and a SU 100 upgrade for the SU 85.
The side updrades are available in the tier 4 building and only new units woild be effected.
Think about it, you go for tier 4 with units effects against panzers and other medium tank destroyers (excluding panther) and once they begin to roll out heavy armor, you tech those units to be more effective.
P.S that also would mean upgraded units will cost more.
Just my thoughts.
And yeah, their mg can do with a damage buff (mayby a accuracy buff as well but that may be asking to much).
I always thought that having side tech for both the t34 and su 85 would be nice for late game.
E.g Skirts for the t34/76 ( mayby something to improve its speed would be nice as well) and a SU 100 upgrade for the SU 85.
The side updrades are available in the tier 4 building and only new units woild be effected.
Think about it, you go for tier 4 with units effects against panzers and other medium tank destroyers (excluding panther) and once they begin to roll out heavy armor, you tech those units to be more effective.
P.S that also would mean upgraded units will cost more.
Just my thoughts.
18 Mar 2016, 14:16 PM
#27
Posts: 168
Trelic will never fix soviets because soviets are not profitable.
Of coursh
18 Mar 2016, 14:48 PM
#28
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Trelic will never fix soviets because soviets are not profitable.
Or cause they are not broken
18 Mar 2016, 15:09 PM
#29
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Or cause they are not broken
Becasue being forced to choose doctrine with elite infantry or armor 90% of the time is not broken at all.
18 Mar 2016, 15:25 PM
#30
Posts: 954
T-34/85 Non-doc........ it has been produced more than 30K, yet it's locked behind a doctrine
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
18 Mar 2016, 15:33 PM
#31
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T-34/85 Non-doc........ it has been produced more than 30K, yet it's locked behind a doctrine
wow UGBEAR. This T85 non doc stuff, is your wish since release right?
most of the time when read your name, it has something to do with the T85 and non-doc
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18 Mar 2016, 15:40 PM
#32
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What the... What is wrong with you people?
The 76 is a very good tank that cost 80 fuel...... 80 FUEL
ONLY 80 FUEL!!!!
ho well i guess one who complain is the same that thinks conscripts are bad just because they build only one unit.
Spoiler : Build multiple T34 and your life will rise and shine.
Kozokus.
The 76 is a very good tank that cost 80 fuel...... 80 FUEL
ONLY 80 FUEL!!!!
ho well i guess one who complain is the same that thinks conscripts are bad just because they build only one unit.
Spoiler : Build multiple T34 and your life will rise and shine.
Kozokus.
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and pain... the perfect educator...
and pain... the perfect educator...
18 Mar 2016, 15:41 PM
#33
Posts: 954
wow UGBEAR. This T85 non doc stuff, is your wish since release right?
most of the time when read your name, it has something to do with the T85 and non-doc
Pretty salty
BTW, what is T85?
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
18 Mar 2016, 15:48 PM
#34
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Spoiler : Build multiple T34 and your life will rise and shine.
We'd like to, but relic decided its not the way and increased its pop cap to the level of all other mediums
And regarding the cost, being cheap isn't worth jack if the unit is not cost effective.
T34=cheap but not cost effective.
Osttruppen=cheap and cost effective.
Greyhound=cheap but not cost effective.
222=cheap and cost effective.
Give T34 AEC MG tratment and there, fine unit, done!
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
18 Mar 2016, 16:13 PM
#35
Posts: 4474
We'd like to, but relic decided its not the way and increased its pop cap to the level of all other mediums
And regarding the cost, being cheap isn't worth jack if the unit is not cost effective.
T34=cheap but not cost effective.
Osttruppen=cheap and cost effective.
Greyhound=cheap but not cost effective.
222=cheap and cost effective.
Give T34 AEC MG tratment and there, fine unit, done!
Flame hetzer=cheap and....
Flack half truck= che....
Ostwind=...... Always pointing at the good thing never at the bad
Btw I would make the t 34 a 3.5 tech and kv1 as tier 4 with the pen of a t34-85
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18 Mar 2016, 16:17 PM
#36
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Out of the units you've mentioned, only flame hetzer is on the weaker side.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
18 Mar 2016, 16:31 PM
#37
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Out of the units you've mentioned, only flame hetzer is on the weaker side.
Really compare to idk the usf half truck and centaur
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18 Mar 2016, 16:35 PM
#38
Posts: 196
lol, way before that. The T-34 has been pretty useless since the game came out.
On the Tier 3 it was usable as a shock unit.
18 Mar 2016, 16:48 PM
#39
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T34/76 are true soviet tanks. They are only 80 fuel, create a swarm, flank enemy armor, crush enemy infantry under the mighty Soviet threads! If you want a medium tank that will perform well by just shooting at max range at enemy tanks from the front, you can go for a doctrine with T34/85s or just play axis.
18 Mar 2016, 16:55 PM
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Becasue being forced to choose doctrine with elite infantry or armor 90% of the time is not broken at all.
No one force you, and you can win without elite infantry and without call in
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