It's probably for the best it doesn't get buffed though, thing will be a pak-43 if lelic touches it.
Good point. 
45mm M-42 AT - Why?
7 Mar 2016, 16:21 PM
#21
Posts: 794
Good point. 
7 Mar 2016, 16:28 PM
#22
Posts: 10
Well, the m-42 actually could be useful if it had a nice buff.
It's probably for the best it doesn't get buffed though, thing will be a pak-43 if lelic touches it.
buff whould be nice,,,
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7 Mar 2016, 16:33 PM
#23
Posts: 10
Change ZiS-3 to M42... Make ZiS-3 doctrinal... Bro, where is your mind? Let's also change Panzerschrecks to German AT Rifles for Volks. And make panzerschrecks doctrinal. Greatest idea evar!
we all know m42 near useless... atm I just wanted open dialog and i fail i did not want flame on this...
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7 Mar 2016, 16:36 PM
#24
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Frankly, it doesn't, its more efficient to just get T2 and ZiS.
By the time you can get M-42, you don't need it any more, much like conscript PTRS.
Getting t2 and a Zis3 is a great way to throw away the momentum you gained by going t1 in the first place.
The M42 light AT gun is fine. It does what it is supposed to do and that is dealing with light tanks. It allows you to maintain momentum and perform a T1 to T3 rush whilst providing a cheap counter to enemy light vehicle play.
7 Mar 2016, 16:38 PM
#25
Posts: 673
we all know m42 near useless... atm I just wanted open dialog and i fail i did not want flame on this...
M42 is not "near useless". It is 100% useless. It should not be buffed, because, if you will buff it you will get... another ZiS-3 gun, but doctrinal. So, what for we need it?
Relic should change M42 to PTRS's packs for conscripts, or to something else. M42 will be useless, no matter how serisous it will be buffed.
7 Mar 2016, 16:41 PM
#26
Posts: 208
If only it had a better penetration, then it would be at least comparable to ZiS-3 against medium tanks. Its utility gets thrown out of the window after the first Panzer IV.
7 Mar 2016, 16:42 PM
#27
Posts: 10
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=m1937_53-k_45mm_at_gun_squad_mp old stats I know but if relic buff pentration near zis-3 and change zis-3 doctrinal and reduce cost of barrage was my idea and i fail =P
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7 Mar 2016, 16:44 PM
#28
Posts: 63
Make it 0cp, it's worse than T0 raketen, which is delayed by the simple fact you don't need AT that early.
Maybe a short range snare ability similar to Stuart?
Maybe a short range snare ability similar to Stuart?
7 Mar 2016, 16:51 PM
#29
Posts: 10
Make it 0cp, it's worse than T0 raketen, which is delayed by the simple fact you don't need AT that early.
Maybe a short range snare ability similar to Stuart?
cp 0 might work also its then asap if needed
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7 Mar 2016, 17:26 PM
#30
Posts: 1890 | Subs: 1
The few times its been used against me it seems to snipe infantry a lot more than other AT gun but that might just be me. In theory they might be worth it if you need a quick response to a 222 or Luches if you are unprepared (though I wonder how many hits it takes now with the 222 health buff lol)
Relic should give it cloak and retreat like Raken
Relic should give it cloak and retreat like Raken
7 Mar 2016, 17:47 PM
#31
Posts: 1220
Hello.
The M42 is half a ZIS in any offensve ways, but i like it anyways. It is a bad unit but it does its job as you expect it ^^. However, it freightens the opponent like a true ZIS and make him play strangely
Kozokus.
Kozo
Kozokus
Kozokusos ?
7 Mar 2016, 17:52 PM
#32
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
Replace this pop corn shooter with 100mm BS3 working similar to Pak43.
7 Mar 2016, 17:55 PM
#33
Posts: 673
Replace this pop corn shooter with 100mm BS3 working similar to Pak43.
Agree. Jagd and King Tigers will not be so dangerous then.
7 Mar 2016, 18:01 PM
#34
Posts: 10
how About replace zis-3 on this 57mm anti-tank gun M1943 (ZiS-2)
plenty lot more anti tank,,, whit out barrage,,, And move doctrinal zis-3 to replace old 45mm
plenty lot more anti tank,,, whit out barrage,,, And move doctrinal zis-3 to replace old 45mm
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7 Mar 2016, 18:11 PM
#35
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Posts: 545
Would be an idea to put this gun into tier 1 and replace it within the commander with another item. Then you can stave off light vehicles with tier 1 with planning but are still vulnerable to early mediums till you get your own.
7 Mar 2016, 18:13 PM
#36
3 Posts: 545
how About replace zis-3 on this 57mm anti-tank gun M1943 (ZiS-2)
plenty lot more anti tank,,, whit out barrage,,, And move doctrinal zis-3 to replace old 45mm
#trolling ?
7 Mar 2016, 18:19 PM
#37
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Something along this line.
-Crews can now cloak the gun with 25% reduced speed.
-Can retreat.
-Gains 100% increase to penetration when firing its first shot from camouflage with 25% increased accuracy.
-Cost from 200 to 240.
-Can now be suppressed.
-Penetration from 100/80/60 to 110/90/75
Mirage®
-Crews can now cloak the gun with 25% reduced speed.
-Can retreat.
-Gains 100% increase to penetration when firing its first shot from camouflage with 25% increased accuracy.
-Cost from 200 to 240.
-Can now be suppressed.
-Penetration from 100/80/60 to 110/90/75
Mirage®
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
7 Mar 2016, 19:02 PM
#38
Posts: 1585 | Subs: 1
Something along this line.
-Crews can now cloak the gun with 25% reduced speed.
-Can retreat.
-Gains 100% increase to penetration when firing its first shot from camouflage with 25% increased accuracy.
-Cost from 200 to 240.
-Can now be suppressed.
-Penetration from 100/80/60 to 110/90/75
Would be fine with me.
The idea of a light AT gun that deals only with light vehicles is hard to make interesting because how is it going to scale? I would also suggest giving the gun a light AI role, as these guns were deadly when loaded with the correct round against infantry.
7 Mar 2016, 19:22 PM
#39
Posts: 118
Replace this pop corn shooter with 100mm BS3 working similar to Pak43.
Now we are talking, those 2 commanders have nothing for late game. the bs was capable of making indirect fire if I recall correctly, for a healthy amount of ammo it could be the special asset of this unit compared with the pak.
how About replace zis-3 on this 57mm anti-tank gun M1943 (ZiS-2)
plenty lot more anti tank,,, whit out barrage,,, And move doctrinal zis-3 to replace old 45mm
Please stop.
7 Mar 2016, 19:44 PM
#40
Posts: 1593 | Subs: 1
m42 is so shitty because relic is obviously totaly axis biased, cant you see that?!
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