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If you manage to defeat the dual kubel/Sturm fast, yes you may be able to have a M20 before his Luch. Otherwise, that's not possible at all.
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If he won´t have volks he won´t have any fausts as well.
Also M20 can lure luchs into mine or stuart can hardcounter unsupported luchs
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You are too much in hypothesizes. I'm telling you that you can't have a lieutenant + m20 that far before his Luch vs a OKW player that knows how to use Kubel+Sturm+Volks. He can cap both fuel points if he manages well, you can cap your own fuel if you manage well.
And I love the way you say that a stuart can hardcounter unsupported luchs. You have the talent for a politic career.
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But USB has free squad every time they tech and early M20 that is literally without counter for some time, as OKW lacks early fausts.
It's not all black and white, every faction has its own BS you jut need to learn to abusee it properly
EDIT: USF also has best cost-efficient tank destroyer in game - m10. They can go first 3 officers and still spam shittons of tanks.
They can also go over 100 pop with popabusefeature.
Also double pack howie wrecks the garden out of OKW Volks. Much more that double leight from USF riflemen.
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I mean what you say is true but do I really want more riflemen? And they bleed a fuck ton more because the stupid officer reinforce bug thing. It'd be better if lt and captain were a small utility squad like the major IMO.
Double pack howie is asking to get stuka'd and has like half the auto fire range of leigs and a massive barrage cooldown, but it does absolutely wreck shit if you make it work (and your opponent is slightly senile). Double pack howie also usually means no mg and no at guns, the latter because that's like >600 mp and you already had to spam rifles and probably bled a lot.
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I do love how all the arguments about how USF can stand up to OKW this patch depends on you outplaying your opponent, they being worse than you, or you getting Lucky.
I'd listen to what Tobis said, as he plays both faction and knows better, even when you win you just don't have any fun when playing vs OKW as USF because you are always on the backfoot unless they throw away key units like their starting Sturms or their 1st Luchs.
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It's not really the luchs that's OP or any of the OKW units, it's just that USF has to shoot itself in the foot to deal with the luchs. If you go for stuart to hardcounter they shove an Ostwind down your throat. If you go for bazookas or ATguns then you will be losing to the call-in infantry.
USF is a faction that is designed around being hyper aggressive and forcing a response from the other team. The really strong call-in meta lets OKW turn that on its head and USF is just not equipped to deal with that right now. Everyone assumed the next patch would fix the problem when scope opened up, but now...
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It's not really the luchs that's OP or any of the OKW units, it's just that USF has to shoot itself in the foot to deal with the luchs. If you go for stuart to hardcounter they shove an Ostwind down your throat. If you go for bazookas or ATguns then you will be losing to the call-in infantry.
USF is a faction that is designed around being hyper aggressive and forcing a response from the other team. The really strong call-in meta lets OKW turn that on its head and USF is just not equipped to deal with that right now. Everyone assumed the next patch would fix the problem when scope opened up, but now...
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I thought that M10 (spam) > Ostwind
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That supports his point though as m10 spam is reactive as opposed to aggressive. You spam m10s because the opponent made/called in tanks (especially ostwinds). You counter that tank and your m10s have nothing to do except maybe run over obers and sturms and be annoying. Bulldozers are more comparable in role IMO.
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Ofcourse that you will follow up your M10s with Dozers but OKW cannot follow his Oswinds with anything that can counter Dozers nor M10 spam. Thats the point.
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Why is that? jpz4 coupled with raketen are a thing.
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The point of M10 and Oswinds is to go around teching. So if you build jp4 USF player will have 3 M10s already, if OKW player went oswind first, USF player will have 4 M10s
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The point of M10 and Oswinds is to go around teching. So if you build jp4 USF player will have 3 M10s already, if OKW player went oswind first, USF player will have 4 M10s
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If the USF player spend all his fuel on dedicated AT units, then you have different windows of opportunities like Tobis said.
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If the USF player spend all his fuel on dedicated AT units, then you have different windows of opportunities like Tobis said.
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I think Jar For Fett listed well what USF has over OKW, which is mostly nothing relevant.
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I was trying to point out that if OKW player techs he will be 120 fuel behind. So you can have bulldozer and 2-3 M10s while he will only have Ostwind (which will probably be already dead against 2xm10 that come at the same time) and single JP4
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