A way to nerf calliope without overnerf

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 05:21 AMJadame!

Counter play of doing suicide all-ins into at gun walls and mines? We already had it with ISU.



Yet you propose exactly that with -50% damage from rockets on retreat.



BS. Infantry dies to mines on retreat paths, it dies to demos, it dies to light vehicles and overextension, it dies to flanks, grenades and RNG mortar shells, it dies to tanks, it just dies. Everybody loses their squad in a course of games, and vetted and double upgraded squads should be a factor in late game, not something which would be erased in one barrage.



You wish calliope was only good against infantry. It good against everything short of tanks and wipes OKW trucks in 2 barrages on med range, exactly what kat where doing when relic decided to overbuff it beyond any considerable reason. And together with werfer it wipes blobs and single squads alike, causing tremendous amounts of bleed by very little effort.

You must make counters work by using them right, which is not the case with werfer and calliope.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 14:12 PMKatitof

That is relevant how?
You don't plan on getting any armor heavier then stuart for the whole game?
That'll work fine for you, I'm sure #jesulinvsbartongame.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 15:12 PMIntelligence209

Timing bruh...

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 15:00 PMwhitesky00

Sure, you were shooting 2 salvos against my Schwerer and Med truck all game... and I just double sturms to repair it all game.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 15:50 PMKubelecer

People are forgetting that if you go calliope first you will never have a major out in a reasonable time which means: NO TANKS/FRP, unless you control both fuels which is gg no matter which faction you play.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 16:09 PMThunderhun

Not 1v1 is the only gamemode...

One player goes for Major and tanks, while the other player goes for calliopes.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 16:09 PMThunderhun

One player goes for Major and tanks, while the other player goes for calliopes.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 16:13 PMKatitof

In 2s USF is equal to OKW and above that its axis stomps over everyone else, so I don't see issues there

Plus, single player won't stop armored assault in 2 to 1 proportion vs superior armor.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 16:15 PMJohnSmith

In this particular, both Axis opponents go Tanks and set as their mission to hunt down and destroy the artillery/AT, depending what is more annoying. You know, use team-play, like your opponents, to actually outplay that particular USF combo.

Axis should not have every win easily delivered on a plate :/

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 15:33 PMJadame!

2 is enough, although you need to do it on med range. I don't know what game you exactly talking about, and assume one i lost with amazing teammates, but trust me, if it was an even game, your trucks would not stand even a slightest chance of survival.

Barrage is 100sec cd btw, probably reduced by vet, but i don't know for sure.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 16:21 PMThunderhun

That's why USF has the option to spam ATGs (too bad they are next to useless) with zooks (Captain + Zooks) and at-snares. Drop 1-2 M36 or M10s into the mix and you'll see axis armor melting before they can kill the calliopes (which takes 4 shot).

After such AT, no sane axis player dares to raid behind enemy lines.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 05:21 AMJadame!

Counter play of doing suicide all-ins into at gun walls and mines? We already had it with ISU.
360 hp would make it die to something as trash as a well flanked' puma. 70-80 fuel to counter a 140 ALL IN arty piece.

Have you heard of the concept of trading? It's like you believe units should never die unless the user goes completely full retard.

The ISU had 1 billion HP and a gun that fired and wiped every 7 secs, compete with Stalinium front armor and cheap NON DOC mines and guards. Could only touched by elefant.

The calliope I'm suggesting would be less durable than a luchs, and would be "protected" by OP USF mines and anti tank.
And lol at USF at wall. One player buy elefant Panthers and pak wall for jacksons other buy werfer for "USF at wall" . Recon. Call Stuka CAS. Drive directly at calliopes with everything. Blitz away. GG.


Yet you propose exactly that with -50% damage from rockets on retreat.
i proposed that because certain people here have a problem with rocket arty being lethal. My preferred solution is leaving it alone lethality wise.


BS. Infantry dies to mines on retreat paths, it dies to demos, it dies to light vehicles and overextension, it dies to flanks, grenades and RNG mortar shells, it dies to tanks, it just dies. Everybody loses their squad in a course of games, and vetted and double upgraded squads should be a factor in late game, not something which would be erased in one barrage.
BS, losing squads to mines on retreat is a combo of bad luck, bad usage of infantry, and blatant over extension without a sweeper.

Flanks? Grenades? Leleleleelele.
Light vehicles do not squad wipe a damn thing late game. Shouldn't wipe anything early game unless you don't know timings. Aka when to pre-retreat.
and neither do demos unless again you refuse to buy something as basic as a sweeper. Or you're USF, Brits, whatever and don't even have demos to begin with.
The only things that comes close to wiping infantry "regularly" without a huge user mistake is tank shots, especially heavy tanks, and support guns(and the rocket arty you want nerfed into the next demension LUL)

At worst you lose a squad per barrage every minute or so if you're not blobbing. And even the OP werfer can be dodged sometimes if you hear it.




You wish calliope was only good against infantry. It good against everything short of tanks and wipes OKW trucks in 2 barrages on med range, exactly what kat where doing when relic decided to overbuff it beyond any considerable reason. And together with werfer it wipes blobs and single squads alike, causing tremendous amounts of bleed by very little effort.
ok so it's Good vs what it's supposed to be good vs....including equally cancerous turtling. What is your point? And don't 2 priests do the same thing to an hq truck for cheaper??

You must make counters work by using them right, which is not the case with werfer and calliope.

What are even the counters to artillery wipe machines.? I haven't played a billion hours so I wouldn't know. A arty hunter, an off map, or counter battery.The calliope can't be hunted because it's too durable. It can't be Counter battery because it's too durable. It can kinda be hit pretty hard by Stuka loiter CAS off map even right now with 640 hp..My main argument is for it to be way less durable. Which would make it beyond counter able based on the concept of trading. Assuming everything goes to shit and you lose your hunter vehicle.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2016, 14:12 PMKatitof

That is relevant how?
You don't plan on getting any armor heavier then stuart for the whole game?
That'll work fine for you, I'm sure #jesulinvsbartongame.