150 fuel panzer 4 increase it's penetration.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 00:47 AMVuther

Like the Bofors, AEC, Anvil and Hammer upgrades, I presume you mean?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 23:27 PMbC_

side upgrades are not out of the questions (we are/have explored) and might be something to come in the future.

fuel upgrades were obviously warranted due to the increase in fuel and the data reflected it.

We will continue to monitor the data and trends and adjust things accordingly from there.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 01:46 AMHorasu

Why do people say the '85 and ez8 are better than OKW p4 anyway? Test it in the cheat mod, OKW p4 will beat them the majority of the time. The armor is OP.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:05 AMMr. Someguy

How many times did you try it? Easy Eight won vs OKW P4 easily +80% of the time in my tests.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 01:22 AMImagelessbean

I know Relic wants to make OKW an "early game" faction,

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:07 AMHorasu

Admittedly only about 10 times since I was farming war spoils. Max range, ez8 kept bouncing which negated the extra hp it had. 6 times it died.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:07 AMHorasu

Admittedly only about 10 times since I was farming war spoils. Max range, ez8 kept bouncing which negated the extra hp it had. 6 times it died.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:19 AMMr. Someguy

Must've been a statistical anomaly, or cheatmod weirdness. The Panzer IV at point-blank has less chance to pen the Easy Eight, than the Easy Eight at max range has to pen the Panzer IV.

155 ÷ 234 = 0.66%
120 ÷ 215 = 0.56%

Could also be cheatmod being weird, maybe. It's good for testing, but it's not perfect, it has it's own bugs sometimes. Like Ost trenches being wiped in seconds by small arms fire.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 00:34 AMcomm_ash

You guys are missing the point on the p4/ panther price increases. They aren't increasing the costs because they feel the tanks were overperforming per cost, they increased their price because OKW was able to get too many tanks out way too quickly.

More likely than not, we will see the prices reverted for the mediums and replaced with actual tech to unlock them, as was hinted by the relic employee earlier (can't remember name).

They most likely went with increased fuel cost because it was the fastest way to push the changes out on a hotfix before relic goes on holiday.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:23 AMnodickwilliams

You are off.

P4 mid pen is 110

110 / 215 = 51%

easy 8 mid pen is 165

165 / 234 = 71%

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:36 AMOmega_Warrior

This

This was basically a limited roll back on OKWs resource penalty. Except instead of just putting back the flat resource rate, they just inflated the prices of the late game tanks. This is better because it's way easier to control then a flat income penalty that punishes light vehicle play. It's the price they pay for getting T4 level armor at T3 timing.

Comparing it to the Easy 8 and T-34/85 is bad because the problem is these tanks also arrive earlier then they should. They should honestly have a CP cost like they had before.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 02:08 AMFiresparks

the concept of an "early" or "late" game faction is flawed.

That said, I do think the problem is the fact OKW have an early game on par with the Soviet and USF while having an amazingly late game.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 04:30 AMbingo12345

i am reminding you guys. p4 has better AI capability(AOE) and faster reload. we should discuss about speed, target size, acceleration, etc.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 04:30 AMbingo12345

i am reminding you guys. p4 has better AI capability(AOE) and faster reload. we should discuss about speed, target size, acceleration, etc.