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[historical question] why did the USA not use smoke on DDAY?

12 Nov 2015, 00:37 AM
#41
avatar of Werw0lf

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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 16:23 PMSappi
I respect combat service and all, but I'm also beginning to doubt if you are for real. The people I know that are in the military are the more laid back the more "Special Ops" they are.

That's the Hollywood version of the 'silent macho hero' you're feeding on and 'respecting'. The real version acts, and isn't afraid to speak up when necessary. Nor does he feel any need to 'fit in' for its own sake in order to preserve status, reputation or guard ego.

For instance I don't feel any need to go our 'celebrating' war with my kids 'proudly' wearing a chestful of 'grandpa's medals' on Anzac Day. War is nothing to be proud of.

"I galloped down the drive to what, in my youthful folly, I supposed was going to be death or glory. I had yet to learn that in war there is plenty of death but little glory; that in war only death is real; that glory is simply gilt and tinsel to wrap around the other so that it looks less like what it really is." - Captain W.E. Johns

That pretty much sums it up. Silent respectful remembrance is more my style.

If it is true that you served, it's a shame the military did nothing to get that huge chip off your shoulder. Guess you need to earn some more ribbons and jump wings, huh?

Why would you suggest I lie? Because you're too dim or lack sufficient experience yourself to recognise the truth when you read it? Or is it because this is the internet and something the dominant generation who infest this forum would do and deem the natural order of things? To which I would respond to your delusion with, memento mori.

I explained in considerable detail why tactical smoke wasn't used, and got ridiculed by the forum children for having both that operational experience and specialist knowledge. So a link to Wikipedia link or some academic nonce with a plagiarised bibliography five pages long would have more cred with Gen stupid because it's formally published? :rofl:

I'm retired. So no. Personally done enough to satisfy my personal lust of adventure and long since departed flawed idealogical motivation or desire to achieve, more than most of you ever will in a lifetime. I'm 'denonouced' a liar or implied delusional because I don't exhibit sufficient false modesty too fit into your Hollywood or preferred sub-cultural belief system? Exceptionally gifted intuitive and perceptional 'intelligence' you exhibit there 'General' Yoda.

That fact is that I claim no more than I have done, but no less. Why is it you find it so difficult to believe or accept that? Because you've done so little with your own life?

I had three brothers. One is dead. Of the three, one, like me, was drawn to a life in the military, and journalism afterwards. He joined as a lad soldier private infantryman at 17. He qualified and served with Parachute Regiment (US=Airborne) at 19, before being selected and serving with SAS Regiment and was a SAS Warrant Officer at 24. Recognising the truth after participating in support of CIA spook ops during Vietnam, and having his wife killed by rocket fire during the Tet Offensive, he became a field war correspondent. He was wounded accompanying a US Air Cav deployment when they were ambushed by a tactically superior NVA. After recuperating in a Hong Kong hospital to where he was evacuated, he spent the next 10 years in Indo China photographing and reporting on front line ops and other SEA political and military issues before returning to AU. Are you suggesting I am lying or making this all up too? Carpe diem. Some will do, most won't. Life is short as you will discover.

Yer, I know I'm done on COH2.org after this post. Nothing to be missed here for adults. I was moving on anyway. In any case I'll be in good company. :wave:
12 Nov 2015, 00:56 AM
#42
avatar of AvNY

Posts: 862



you remind me of a special copy pasta, are you the origin poster of it?

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its from 2010 maybe you remember



No idea who wrote this, but I have known personally (friends and family) a number of people who have been in special forces of some type or another (Ranger type through Delta Force types). The "real thing" never spoke like this. Never. The more they did, the more they knew, the less they talked about it.

On the other hand, I also have met types who spoke like this. Invariably they were NOT the real thing.
12 Nov 2015, 03:06 AM
#43
avatar of mycalliope

Posts: 721

The rifleman were vet 3 probabaly....:foreveralone::foreveralone::foreveralone:
12 Nov 2015, 04:43 AM
#44
avatar of WhySooSerious

Posts: 1248

The wind screwed up the smoke. Smoke is only viable if it doesn't disappear quickly and most likely during that assault smoke was blown away as it is used on the coastline which means there will be winds that will blow the smoke away. It will merely extend a person's life for a few seconds.
12 Nov 2015, 08:09 AM
#45
avatar of Array
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Posts: 609

Werewolf, the issue lies not with your knowledge which appears considerable but your ability to impart it nicely in a friendly and educational way rather than patronising everyone and acting like a lack of detailed military knowledge is a sad reflection on the mental capacities of others posting. This attitude undermines your claims to "speak out without regard to status or ego" as does constantly calling other people dupes. This behaviour Is boorish and rude.
12 Nov 2015, 18:55 PM
#46
avatar of maskedmonkey2

Posts: 262

A bit more reading material for those that are still interested after that little tirade. (this time from the US Army Center of Military History)

"Both the 30th and 31st Decontamination Companies saw action on OMAHA Beach. The former's 1st Platoon landed at H plus 16 minutes in the midst of the most rugged fighting of the invasion with the missions of decontamination, smoke, and supply. At first, the platoon fought along side the infantry using small arms and grenades and later, when the beachhead was secured, it aided in evacuating wounded and in clearing mine fields. During the afternoon the portable generators that had been lost in the surf at the time of the landings were retrieved and put into operating condition. As at UTAH, there were no calls for smoke. The 1st Platoon suffered 25 percent casualties on D-day and was cited for outstanding performance of duty.9 At 1300 the 3d Platoon landed on OMAHA to be joined by the remainder of the 30th Company on D plus 1. A 25-man detachment of the 31st Decontamination Company came ashore at H plus 7 hours on 6 June and was reunited with the rest of the company on the next day. In activities which followed the pattern set by the other decontamination companies, the men of the 31st performed a series of secondary duties in the absence of gas warfare and the need for smoke.10"
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