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Ostheer Panther/T4 is Overpriced/Underwhelming

27 Oct 2015, 11:40 AM
#61
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Panther is fine. Vs Brits go t3 for the DPS of stugs versus slow, armoured Churchill's. VS USF go panther as they have nothing that can safely chase it.
VS soviets wait til you see their doctrine then counterpick t3 or t4.

USF has a real problem with the panther. They can force it off the field but chasing one down and actually killing it is suicide. Then it returns with vet.

Brummbar does need a look at, but I don't want another t4 squad wipe machine.
27 Oct 2015, 12:04 PM
#62
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Oct 2015, 10:32 AMKatitof

A satchel charge that crits vehicles when someone is stupid enough not to drive out of it.
A speed bonus that every single axis tank have as vet1 ability.
Ability to "track" armor when it gets out of los for few seconds.
And inferior panther that can fight infantry with a faction that doesn't struggle with AI firepower.

Or

Ability to see what actually decaps your point.
Base arty "improvement" so it actually have a chance to hit something.
Heavy engi upgrade, which makes them better in combat and repairs while making them grenade magnets.
And slightly stronger KV-1(post patch).

Hardly comparable to panther, pwerfer that eradicates whatever team weapon it fires upon.
And well, brummbar being brummbar, its not bad, but it doesn't blind anyone with awesomeness, I've seen some awesome comebacks thanks to it as well as miserable failures, I got nothing here.

Hammer or anvil aren't that bad(the side bonuses), but it hardly justifies proper T4 costs considering it doesn't improve unit variety and grants you pretty much single specialist.



Only to the patch day. Low speed, low armor for a heavy, whatever AT weapon pretty much always penetrating it.

It will be repair practice tank, not a dmg sponge.


The speed bonus doesn't cost munitions, and can be used at every armor type including tank destroyers.

The brumbar sucks whatever you say. The panther is just a counterpart of the comet. Lack of AI capability but powerful AT. The panzerwerfer is the only one which brits don't have, but ostheer don't have that free skills too. You complain the churchills but they have the longgest healthpool man, it's really hard to kill it, 1400HP for just 150 fuel, how can you complain then?It's still perfect even with the nerfs because the healthpool is much more important than armors.
29 Oct 2015, 06:24 AM
#63
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Posts: 2742

I don't think it's the Axis units that are the problem with feeling overpriced and/or underwhelming. It's what they're going up against is typically broken and/or over performing. And all that really isn't coming from Soviet or American units really.

:|

And the Brummbar is balls. It kind of always has been.
29 Oct 2015, 23:54 PM
#64
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I don't think it's the Axis units that are the problem with feeling overpriced and/or underwhelming. It's what they're going up against is typically broken and/or over performing. And all that really isn't coming from Soviet or American units really.

:|

And the Brummbar is balls. It kind of always has been.

I think ostheer t4 is appropriately priced more I think about it. Issues are. 222 and 251 FHT being paper thin. Panzergrenadiers being terrible with worse veterancy than all allied infantry. And brummbar being overpriced and underperforming.
30 Oct 2015, 00:36 AM
#65
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Posts: 262

Stug can deal with AT, Panther is huge risk small reward, unless long +3v3 games... I mean, even if u put a panther against stug, stug has better chance to win, especial if it is has vet1.
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